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58 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

Finally an English map:

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It took Russia 16 months to advance 7 kilometers vs. Ukraine in Putins Blyatkrieg, but only a day to advance 500 kilometers in Prigozhins Vodka Run.

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22 minutes ago, Strannik said:

Apparently Lukashenko has been negotiating with Prigozhin on behalf of Putin.  Supposedly the march on Moscow will stop.

 

Confirmed.  Prigozhin says "...going back to field camps".   Will see how all this will unfold.

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11 minutes ago, Olof Larsson said:

It took Russia 16 months to advance 7 kilometers vs. Ukraine in Putins Blyatkrieg, but only a day to advance 500 kilometers in Prigozhins Vodka Run.

Go where the combat units are not, profit like Underpants Gnomes.

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I think Prigozhin overplayed his hand quite badly. I'm pretty sure he has had tons of back-patters telling him how he should be the one running the military, not tha dunbass Shoigu: but few, if, any, of them are likely to actually stand against Putin and the security apparatus. Also, if things get to  the proper bloodshedding, it is hard to sell any fraternity aspect to the regular Army. Finally, there seems to be no political support whatsoever. If Ukraine starts another offensive and makes gains, it will make Prigozhin look like a proper backstabber.

Important aspect will be those related to frontline morale; Ukrainians are likely emboldened if it looks like keeping the pressure up might actually result to something. Meanwhile, Russian grunts might start to question what the heck is the point, if some Kremlin douches will just throw everything away for some personal gain.

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Ok then, let's assume that the march is stopped like they say. In the morning Putin promised to deal with the 'traitors', now he's cutting a deal with them via Lukashenka. I certainly can't imagine his position being strong after all that.

And what happens the next time Prigo is unhappy?

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5 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Ok then, let's assume that the march is stopped like they say. In the morning Putin promised to deal with the 'traitors', now he's cutting a deal with them via Lukashenka. I certainly can't imagine his position being strong after all that.

And what happens the next time Prigo is unhappy?

Yes, exactly.

If you want historical parallels, think of poor Wat Tyler. Meets King Richard II, gets a deal, everyone is happy, then the next moment the Kings Guards murder him, and the peasants revolt is dispersed.

Human nature doesn't change very much.

 

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15 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yes, exactly.

If you want historical parallels, think of poor Wat Tyler. Meets King Richard II, gets a deal, everyone is happy, then the next moment the Kings Guards murder him, and the peasants revolt is dispersed.

Human nature doesn't change very much.

 

Exactly this I have on my mind. So often rebels stopped by promises ended that way.

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44 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

It's night in Russia. None's going to march on a city without night fighting capability. Wait for the morning, then judge. They're not some western army that has NVDs and thermals for everyone.

DingDingDing!

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8 hours ago, X-Files said:

 

 

I',m getting Hammer's Slammers vibes.

I am currently at Liberty con, there’s an upcoming Ukraine panel at 5pm.  It will provably be standing room only. 

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