The Kremlin is burning?

[Stuart Galbraith]

The Russian holiday season is from January to December? Who knew?

 

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

There were no Russian soldiers in Crimea. Only volunteers helping to protect ethnic Russians, but they went there during their holidays.

They even went on vacation in battalions.  With tanks, BTR, howitzers and with ammunition. Without permission!

 What an undisciplined, anarchist army!  That's why she conquered Kiev within three days.

[Mike1158]

On 7/27/2023 at 2:28 PM, seahawk said:

There were no Russian soldiers in Crimea. Only volunteers helping to protect ethnic Russians, but they went there during their holidays.

Pure comic gold in them thar hills.  Number one in Putins speed dial yet?  Christmas card list?

 

Shame, you do try so hard too.

[seahawk]

7 minutes ago, Mike1158 said:

Pure comic gold in them thar hills.  Number one in Putins speed dial yet?  Christmas card list?

 

Shame, you do try so hard too.

But sadly my comrades in the Russian media are still doing better service for the motherland

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1684696476453056513?s=20

 

[Josh]

3 hours ago, Mike1158 said:

Pure comic gold in them thar hills.  Number one in Putins speed dial yet?  Christmas card list?

 

Shame, you do try so hard too.

Ok. I’m going to say it one more time. The Seahawk account is largely a parody of Russian accounts elsewhere and should not be taken at face value.

I’m kinda assuming you don’t read anyone who responds to you directly since this is the third time I’ve mentioned it and others have told you the same thing. Your indignant posts are quite honestly more annoying to me than his sarcasm.

With that, I’ll leave you to it, whatever you want to post. I’m not a Mod.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Josh

[seahawk]

It is not sarcasm, people really need to look at the Russian media and social media to understand what is going on in Russia.

[Josh]

2 hours ago, seahawk said:

It is not sarcasm, people really need to look at the Russian media and social media to understand what is going on in Russia.

Fair enough. For anyone who wants the cliff notes of that:

https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2023/07/russian-state-tv-putin-propaganda/674755/

[Roman Alymov]

19 hours ago, Josh said:

Ok. I’m going to say it one more time. The Seahawk account is largely a parody of Russian accounts elsewhere and should not be taken at face value.

I wonder where is that "elsewhere" as among pro-Russian community it is sort of good tone to openly hate "propagandists" and "guardians" who got years-long history of changing their position in line with official line. 

     So, with all my respect, Seahawk's account is hardly parody but more like simulacrum.

P.S. By the way, pro-Russians expect Russian Gov to attempt surrender by September, with first step to it will be moves to suppress civil volunteer movement. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by Roman Alymov

[Stefan Kotsch]

19 hours ago, Josh said:

The Seahawk account is largely a parody of Russian accounts elsewhere

OK.  But here is not the parody thread.  That's why it's a bit annoying.

😙

[ink]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

 

P.S. By the way, pro-Russians expect Russian Gov to attempt surrender by September, with first step to it will be moves to suppress civil volunteer movement. 

Given the state of play on the ground (at the time of writing, at least) this seems highly unlikely. However, I would personally love for there to a peace deal of any kind by September (or tomorrow). If the Russians are spent or if the political leadership has had enough of this adventure, then that's something to be welcomed all round.

Also, in broad moral terms, the people who feel more Russian on balance than Ukrainian have had plenty of territory and time to move. Likewise for "Ukrainians". All of the people in Ukraine could do with this being over. Only the most fanatical dream of recapturing lost territory (much of which isn't exactly "friendly") at the expense of more young mens lives being lost or destroyed. 

[X-Files]

More than 100 troops from the Russian mercenary group Wagner are moving towards a thin strip of land between Poland and Lithuania, Poland’s prime minister says, who warned they could pose as migrants to cross the border.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Saturday that his government had received information that the Wagner mercenaries were not far from Grodno, a city in western Belarus close to the land, which is also known as the Suwalki gap or corridor.

 

Wagner mercenaries reportedly near vulnerable Baltic corridor, Polish Prime Minister says | CNN

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, ink said:

Given the state of play on the ground (at the time of writing, at least) this seems highly unlikely.

Contrary, now, when (may be false) feeling that NOT-sponsored "counter offensive" is repulsed* is widespread among Russian elite, we reach the moment of unity between two rivaling parties in Rus Gov**

1) Party of "immediate surrender" 

2) Party of "let's surrender later, when conditions on the frontline will be more favorable for us to negotiate better conditions of reuniting with our palaces and bank accounts"

   Now second party feel that may be time is comming to start negotiations (and first party was always bagging for them). 

Another translation from Murz ( https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/13980 )

"Of course, in reality there is no PTK (Patriotic Tower of Kremlin), despite the fact that the second or even the third generation of "interested in politics" has grown up, which transmits oral traditions that the PTK exists. Divov said very correctly and concisely on this topic: “Russia has no foreign policy, it has foreign trade.”

Our two “towers” are the “tower of defeat" or the “tower of the deal-on-any-terms (this is called surrender, yes)” and the “tower of the honorable agreement”, after which our “unshakable vertical” remains more or less in its current form and no one goes to The Hague.

The key point of both cases is the preservation of “international relations”, in which the children of our elite, together with their descendants, will be able to live in the West in a comfortable super–income created by their parents at the expense of the people of Russia, and the representatives of elite clans themselves will be able to prolong their lives for 20-30 years with the help of the achievements of advanced Western medicine. “We are our own, bourgeois.”***

They look at all our military propaganda there as at the court of some Louis on Italian comedians discharged at the expense of the royal treasury. “Who is the main-clown-in-favor-of-war there now? Kadyrov? And how? Are you bored already? Well, let's be the main-clown-in-favor-of-war Prigozhin.”

The victory, I repeat this purely conditional description from the text of almost a year and a half ago, of “people with dachas in Moscow suburbs” over “people with villas on the Cote d'Azur” in 2021, which led to the beginning of its, was not that someone convinced Putin of the need to destroy Nazi Ukraine as a state, no.

When it became clear that politics in Europe, with the help of the United States, had defeated the economy, and the newly built Nord Stream would not be launched by a political decision except in the format “All the same, you have to support Ukraine, which will try to return Donbass and Crimea by military means,” when it became clear that the EU political elites would do what they were told from overseas, and themselves too - - -…

In general, Putin was not convinced that destroying Nazism was good, right, and it was high time. They were convinced only that the rapid military defeat of Ukrainian Nazism would be... a good trump card in negotiations, which otherwise simply would not be."

*-actually, it is not.

** - Gov in wide meaning of the word, rulling class.

*** I have allready explained the meaning of this quite from Putin, as you probably remember

Edited July 29, 2023 by Roman Alymov

[Roman Alymov]

3 minutes ago, X-Files said:

More than 100 troops from the Russian mercenary group Wagner are moving towards a thin strip of land between Poland and Lithuania, Poland’s prime minister says, who warned they could pose as migrants to cross the border.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Saturday that his government had received information that the Wagner mercenaries were not far from Grodno, a city in western Belarus close to the land, which is also known as the Suwalki gap or corridor.

 

Wagner mercenaries reportedly near vulnerable Baltic corridor, Polish Prime Minister says | CNN

100 troops is about one company, less than 3 standard tourist busses of people. Mighty force that will shake Polish state to the bottom....

[X-Files]

1 minute ago, Roman Alymov said:

100 troops is about one company, less than 3 standard tourist busses of people. Mighty force that will shake Polish state to the bottom....

You know I know that, right? I'll assume you're addressing the Peanut Gallery

[Stuart Galbraith]

There is a wrinkle to the Wagner story. Shades of Kampfgruppe Skorzeny.

 

[X-Files]

 

"Time is a flat circle"

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah, that too.

[JWB]

 

[X-Files]

 

"Time is a flat circle"

Putin is forming mysterious private armies across Russia to protect himself from Wagner soldiers, report says (yahoo.com)

• Russian President Vladimir Putin is forming private militias across Russia.

• They appear to be a defense against a possible coup against the Russian leader.

• The Wagner Group rebellion, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, exposed serious gaps in Putin's defenses.

[R011]

1 hour ago, X-Files said:

 

"Time is a flat circle"

Putin is forming mysterious private armies across Russia to protect himself from Wagner soldiers, report says (yahoo.com)

• Russian President Vladimir Putin is forming private militias across Russia.

• They appear to be a defense against a possible coup against the Russian leader.

• The Wagner Group rebellion, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, exposed serious gaps in Putin's defenses.

A bunch of klepptocrat regional warlords with private armies nominally subordinate to a weakened central authority?  What could go wrong?  Look how well it worked for interwar China!

[Roman Alymov]

14 minutes ago, R011 said:

A bunch of klepptocrat regional warlords with private armies nominally subordinate to a weakened central authority?  What could go wrong?  Look how well it worked for interwar China!

In real world, 

1)"kleptocrat regional warlords" do not exist - actually they are kleptocrat bureaucrats with palaces in London/Marbelia, children and grandchildren in Western schools, the last thing they want is to be "warlords"

2) "private armies" are in fact volunteer militias, and members of this militias are mostly very sceptical not only about federal Gov (seen as weak and pro-Western) but also about local officials (who are seen as local version of Kremlin gang)

3) For above mentioned reasons, despite of all demands by local militia members to arm them, officials are reluctant to do that. As one activist said. ""They would rather arm illegal migrants than us, citizens of Russia"

[JWB]

Wagner boss reveals massive 'hidden' fortune of Vladimir Putin's defense minister (msn.com)

[Stuart Galbraith]

12 hours ago, X-Files said:

 

"Time is a flat circle"

Putin is forming mysterious private armies across Russia to protect himself from Wagner soldiers, report says (yahoo.com)

• Russian President Vladimir Putin is forming private militias across Russia.

• They appear to be a defense against a possible coup against the Russian leader.

• The Wagner Group rebellion, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, exposed serious gaps in Putin's defenses.

So he set up a private militia that was loyal to himself, and now is setting up several more private militias that are loyal to himself, to protect him from the private militia that was loyal to himself?

 

[X-Files]

16 hours ago, R011 said:

A bunch of klepptocrat regional warlords with private armies nominally subordinate to a weakened central authority?  What could go wrong?  Look how well it worked for interwar China!

Eggzackly, or as we use to say on the range 'Target, target, target! Clear and elevate, move to the safety's position'

[JWB]