The Kremlin is burning?

[TrustMe]

The Ukrainians target Russian refineries due to Russian attacks on the UK power plants. It's like a tit for tat thing.

[Sinistar]

i do not think that is the case

which is to say they are independent actions

 

ukraine is not doing it because russia is doing it

which would imply ukraine would stop if russia stopped

 

there are different objectives involved

ukraine cannot reverse what is happening on the battlefield with the eventual mind to capture annexed territory

it is doing this to somehow prevent russia from furthering its goals because of the political and economic damage

 

russia looks like it is doing this in order to turn these areas off if in 2026 or 2027 they eventually advance on them

or retain the option to do that depending on how much resistance remains

 

 

 

 

[Josh]

17 hours ago, TrustMe said:

The Ukrainians target Russian refineries due to Russian attacks on the UK power plants. It's like a tit for tat thing.

Actually I think it is a long term strategic move to increase the financial costs to Russia and has little to do with Russia’s strikes on Ukraine.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah, the Russian attacks are a plausible excuse, but I cant see the Ukrainians stopping, even if the Russians suddenly ran out of cruise missile. Its proving too successful.

When Russian Generals are actually complaining about it in public, you know this is really hurting them. Its costing Russia its future, for burned out bits of territory of frankly bugger all use to Russia. To what end? Saying you moved the map 100 klicks westward is pointless, if there is nothing anyone would want on it.

Edited November 4 by Stuart Galbraith

[Josh]

6 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yeah, the Russian attacks are a plausible excuse, but I cant see the Ukrainians stopping, even if the Russians suddenly ran out of cruise missile. Its proving too successful.

When Russian Generals are actually complaining about it in public, you know this is really hurting them. Its costing Russia its future, for burned out bits of territory of frankly bugger all use to Russia. To what end? Saying you moved the map 100 klicks westward is pointless, if there is nothing anyone would want on it.

The POL attacks are costing Russia real money, they would happen regardless. The only reason this is a relatively new occurrence is because previously Ukraine lacked the capability; see last years attempt which had no significant effect.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Just now, Josh said:

The POL attacks are costing Russia real money, they would happen regardless. The only reason this is a relatively new occurrence is because previously Ukraine lacked the capability; see last years attempt which had no significant effect.

Yeah, they have had tried for some years. Ive got a recollection in 2022 they tried it with a long range raid with  MI24's. They got away with it, but not surprisingly didnt try that again. The pilots balls must have had more steel in them than the Hind.

[JWB]

Thick black smoke rises and several fires burn following a number of Ukrainian drone strikes tonight against the Sterlitamak Petrochemical Plant in the Republic of Bashkortostan, Southern Russia, which is over 700 miles from Ukraine.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1985560505855995925

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Russia to lose an oil refinery in Bulgaria.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-war-latest-bulgaria-to-seize-russian-oil-refinery/ar-AA1PP1IH?ocid=TobArticle

Bulgaria is drafting new legislation that will allow it to seize control of an important oil refinery belonging to Russia's sanctioned oil giant Lukoil.

The Burgas refinery is the only one of its kind in Bulgaria and was a vital party of Lukoil's foreign business empire. The company is now facing US sanctions over Russia's war on Ukraine.

[JWB]

Overnight, Ukrainian attack drones successfully struck multiple Russian targets during a major raid. 

Seen here, Russia's Kostroma Thermal Power Plant, just to the northeast of Moscow and one of the largest in the region, burns.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1986327965836161106

 

[Mike1158]

The Russians targeted the Ukrainian parliament buildings so, why not target the Duma or the Kremlin?

 

Flatten those and the Russian people will see how bad sh1t is in the Motherland.  I have seen Russia referenced as the Fatherland though, so perhaps even the Russian leadership is unable to tell the difference.

[Roman Alymov]

Just now, Mike1158 said:

The Russians targeted the Ukrainian parliament buildings so, why not target the Duma or the Kremlin?

They are trying to regularly (while i do not remember any hits on Rada building in Kiev)

2 minutes ago, Mike1158 said:

Flatten those and the Russian people will see how bad sh1t is in the Motherland.  I have seen Russia referenced as the Fatherland though, so perhaps even the Russian leadership is unable to tell the difference.

  The difference between what? Let me direct you to my old post

 

[Josh]

1 hour ago, Mike1158 said:

The Russians targeted the Ukrainian parliament buildings so, why not target the Duma or the Kremlin?

 

Flatten those and the Russian people will see how bad sh1t is in the Motherland.  I have seen Russia referenced as the Fatherland though, so perhaps even the Russian leadership is unable to tell the difference.

I cannot imagine that doing anything but harden Russian resolve.

[JWB]

Overnight, Ukraine's SSO carried out a major series of drone strikes targeting Russian fuel infrastructure in Crimea. 

Ukrainian drones swarmed the town of Bitumne and Gvardeyskiy, successfully hitting multiple fuel depots and fuel trains.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1986829141233246245

 

[Josh]

Is this civilian fuel? I thought most military supplies now came through the new railway on the mainland now.

[JWB]

Top Moscow official admits Russia is close to internal collapse.

"Alexander Kharichev, who heads the department for monitoring and analysing public processes within the Presidential Administration, said the country faces serious internal threats that could lead to civil conflict.

His remarks were published in an essay titled “Who Are We?” in the Russian journal Gosudarstvo.

Kharichev described a combination of dangers including depopulation, a weakening political system, and a growing risk of losing sovereignty.

He wrote that together these problems have created a situation that could easily explode."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/top-moscow-official-admits-russia-is-close-to-internal-collapse/ar-AA1PTWFT

[Roman Alymov]

22 minutes ago, JWB said:

Overnight, Ukraine's SSO carried out a major series of drone strikes targeting Russian fuel infrastructure in Crimea. 

Ukrainian drones swarmed the town of Bitumne and Gvardeyskiy, successfully hitting multiple fuel depots and fuel trains.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1986829141233246245

 

Actually what they claim with video is one 400 m3 fuel tank and attack on train of fuel tanker railcars ( see https://t.me/info_zp/124335 ) 

  If we assume 400m3 tank ( РВС 400 м³. Резервуар вертикальный стальной РВС-400 м³, резервуар РВС 400 ) was full with diesel fuel, with current market price RUR50/l (Цены на дизельное топливо по оптовым ценам - цена дизельного топлива за литр или тонну сегодня) then the price of fuel lost is RUR20mln (about USD246K). It is the price of 7 Lancet drones, or about one pro-Ukr/NATO long range drone (as we know from Yuri Kasyanov's claims, they are about USD200K per unit) or about 4 drones produced by Zelensky-affiliated "Fire Point" company www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/38893-kiev-is-burning/page/3986/#comment-1839101 

      Taking into consideration only few drones from every "swarm" could really reach the targets, it looks like this exchange rate is not in NATO's favor.

[mandeb48]

Yes. But Your analysis doesn't include the potential costs incurred by air defense against drones, the cost of rebuilding the facility, etc

Edited November 7 by mandeb48

[Roman Alymov]

7 minutes ago, mandeb48 said:

Yes. But York analysis doesn't include the potential costs incurred by air defense against drones, the cost of rebuilding the facility, etc

Of course it is not complete, with lots of costs (both financial and human) from both sides not included (for example. cost of US&Co signal intelligence by planes, satelites and agents to find locations of AD assets and plot the route for drones bypassing them). But, still, it gives some basic idea why this events described as "major" are in fact not so major at all. The very use of "major" etc. is more like indication of the author's dreams and desires, not reality.

Edited November 7 by Roman Alymov

[Roman Alymov]

Good text by Anna Dolgareva (one of the leading contemporary Rus poets) about political left and political right in Russia

"I'll tell you once and I won't do it again. About the right and left.

Once, after university, I worked as a political commentator in Kiev for two years. Then everything was simple: the right are the heirs of Bandera, the left (communists, socialists, etc.) are supporters of integration with Russia. I sympathized with the left, although I did not participate in the political life of Ukraine, my goal was to find a job in Russia as soon as possible (this is not particularly easy for a fresh graduate of a non-core university). But yes, it turned out that this is literally a division into ours and not ours.

Later, when i have already moved to Russia, but nothing had started yet, we were just sitting on LiveJournal and having discussions with tea. At that time, the leftists were socialists, supporters of a planned model of the economy and social guarantees. And the right-wing libertarians, sofa marketeers. Ahem. Yes, it's easy to guess which side I was on in this dichotomy. 

Then it started and I went to Donbass. There, the right and the left got along with each other absolutely calmly. I was very friendly with Lesha Dobry, later the commander of the "Ghost", and at that time the commander of the "Voluntary Communist detachment" in the "Ghost". And I was friends with a Baltic man, legendary n narrow circles, a proponent of the libertarian model, and we had a lot of arguments. I met the nationalists from the volunteers at the same time, there were pagans, monarchists, and various people there. You know, it was normal back then for leftists and rightists to get along and defend each other in battle. Oh, well, the only thing is that the Italian communist from the "Ghost" almost got into a fight with an Italian of right-wing views, a southerner and a football fan. And all this in Lugansk, these are the adventures of Italians in Russia.

When I returned in 2018, I discovered the social network Twitter. Suddenly, it turned out that we no longer choose between a planned and a market economy (as if we had previously chosen). Now we have the right-wing traditionalists, and the left -wing SJW, "fighters for social justice" and the rights of blacks, Kyrgyz, LGBTQ+ (prohibited), feminists, and so on. Some of this is more or less reasonable, but of course, no one was going to observe the measure. As a person of a skeptical mindset, I had to take up the line of defense at the "Twitter fascist" mark, eh. Even the foreign agent Dasha Serenko came to me to swear and banned herself. It was fun. 

In 2022, I disappeared in Donbas. In 2024, women were not given accreditations, I looked around a bit, and the right-left orientation changed again. Apparently, science was able to resurrect one of the figures of the past, but it had to be either Nicholas II or Lenin. The right and the left fought selflessly, defending the honor of one dead person after another. It was the most acutely relevant discussion in a warring country under sanctions. Shtosh. Shtosh. 

Seriously, at the moment I identify myself as a man of right-wing views - the protection and preservation of Russian culture (as Putin recently said) and Orthodox values. But at the same time, I am categorically in favor of a planned economy, lol. As for the question that is being asked about the events of a century ago, the more literature I read specifically about November 1917, the point of bifurcation, the more I realize that I don't know anything. At least, it seems to me that November was not the bifurcation point. But at the moment, I am absolutely sure that I would not like to live in the USSR. 

And I think that the collapse of the empire is a tragedy, because, at least culturally, we lose a lot in this process. The collapse of the Russian Empire was a tragedy, and the collapse of the Soviet Empire was a tragedy. Let their (British, I mean) empires collapse, but ours don't, anyway.

I do not argue with those who celebrate today's date. In general, the main idea of this post is that the concept of the right and the left has changed so often in my not so long 37 years that I am absolutely not ready to get involved in another round. But I myself don't celebrate today <anniversary of October revolution>"." https://t.me/dolgarevaanna/8494

[Stefan Kotsch]

4 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

The collapse of the Russian Empire was a tragedy, and the collapse of the Soviet Empire was a tragedy. Let their (British, I mean) empires collapse, but ours don't, anyway.

This brings us very close to the main problem. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

The collapse of the British Empire was the inevitable  result of it no longer making money. And funnily enough that was a large part of the reason for the collapse of the Soviet one too. I wouldn't be surprised  if its the reason for the final collapse of the Russian one also.

[Josh]

43 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The collapse of the British Empire was the inevitable  result of it no longer making money. And funnily enough that was a large part of the reason for the collapse of the Soviet one too. I wouldn't be surprised  if its the reason for the final collapse of the Russian one also.

You can already see it from here. In fact, it’s hard to imagine Russia is remotely economically competitive in the long term. It will suffer a population collapse similar to China with nothing like the automation or export markets.

[Ssnake]

Technologically and culturally, Russia has very little to offer to its neighbors. It can intimidate, and that's it. Other paths of development were opened to Russia, but rejected. Too bad, the world will move on.

[seahawk]

I disagree, as Russia is still not infected by the woke virus and therefore offers a lot of healthy values for any non-communist. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

No, Russia is 100 years behind Europe. Its infected by the nationalism virus, which is far more potent than anything a one legged African Lesbian can conjure up.