Roman Alymov Posted January 30 Posted January 30 20 minutes ago, glenn239 said: The choice in 2014 was to put Ukraine on ice and wait for Putin to die. Obama with Putin was smart enough to understand, and Trump with Putin was also smart enough as well. But then Biden and Zelensky got in and things, well, things then took the course that they took. How do you think, what will happen when Putin will die?
Roman Alymov Posted January 30 Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Anyway, it matters little what you believe. Putin is clearly dying, and Russia I suspect will soon follow him. Dying? It is popular theory among so called "Russian liberal opposition" in excile and pro-Ukr "experts" that old man Putin is allready dead, replaced by fake person simmilar to him to cover the fact - while RF is ruled by some kind of secret collective body of top officials. Vladimir Putin may already be dead with body double taking his place, MI6 chiefs claim - World News - Mirror Online
Roman Alymov Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) Wrong thread Edited January 30 by Roman Alymov
Stefan Kotsch Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: "Kremlin under the leadership of Putin" do not care about "property of Russia" @Roman Alymov, You shouldn't ignore your president. He has been complaining about the loss of Russian 'property' for a long time. I have pointed this out several times. Putin has been pushing for a Jalta V.02 since his speeches in the early 2000s. With the aim of making the states of the former Soviet Union dependent on the Kremlin and to withdraw them to the influence of the EU.Putin wants to bring back what Russia's property is. He says again and again. Heim ins Reich V.02 52 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: But people in Kremlin have to comply with the fact active majority of Russians see "Ukraine" as it is - as part of Russia. Correction: But active majority of Russians have to comply with the fact the Kremlin see "Ukraine" as it is - as part of Russia. Edited January 30 by Stefan Kotsch
Roman Alymov Posted January 30 Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: @Roman Alymov, You shouldn't ignore your president. He has been complaining about the loss of Russian 'property' for a long time. I have pointed this out several times. I am sorry but i am exactly not ignoring what this or that politician is doing - but do not care what he is saying.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 30 Posted January 30 56 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Dying? It is popular theory among so called "Russian liberal opposition" in excile and pro-Ukr "experts" that old man Putin is allready dead, replaced by fake person simmilar to him to cover the fact - while RF is ruled by some kind of secret collective body of top officials. Vladimir Putin may already be dead with body double taking his place, MI6 chiefs claim - World News - Mirror Online Zombie Putin. The old bastard is already dead, and he never noticed.
Stefan Kotsch Posted January 30 Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: but do not care what he is saying. Now you should decide. Either Putin does not take care of Russia's property on Ukraine. Or he takes care of Russia's property, but you do not care what he is saying.
Roman Alymov Posted January 30 Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: Now you should decide. Either Putin does not take care of Russia's property on Ukraine. Or he takes care of Russia's property, but you do not care what he is saying. See above, "collective Putin" actions over past 30 years are indication this people only care about their property in London (and other similar places), of course with precondition they stay alive ( = ordinary Russians not asking too many questions). But they are widely using populist rhetoric about how they care about Russian interests etc. as it is what they have to do to stay in power.
seahawk Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, glenn239 said: The choice in 2014 was to put Ukraine on ice and wait for Putin to die. Obama with Putin was smart enough to understand, and Trump with Putin was also smart enough as well. But then Biden and Zelensky got in and things, well, things then took the course that they took. 2014 does not matter. The problem lies in the late 1980ies when weak leaders corrupted by the West betrayed the Soviet Union and sold off territory that had been earned with Russian blood to the West. A strong leader would have chosen to die in the nuclear fire over surrendering to the West.
glenn239 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: How do you think, what will happen when Putin will die? The context of that question has changed from 2014. There were two paths. Had NATO not pressed for expansion into Ukraine and instead engaged Moscow seriously on the basis of Minsk, they would have had to accept the loss of Crimea and defacto independence of the Donbas region, but Ukraine itself would have remained intact past 2030. Putin would have pocketed the win and used it in his remaining years to putter elsewhere cobbling the former Soviet Union. Path two is what Biden chose to do, which I believe was to greenlight a military resolution to the Donbas insurgency. This brought catastrophy down upon Ukraine, as Russian escalation dominance in this region doomed Ukraine if the Russian people stood behind the war. And they do. On path two the death of Putin will change nothing, as the successor will not alter policy. Edited January 31 by glenn239
glenn239 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, seahawk said: 2014 does not matter. The problem lies in the late 1980ies when weak leaders corrupted by the West betrayed the Soviet Union and sold off territory that had been earned with Russian blood to the West. A strong leader would have chosen to die in the nuclear fire over surrendering to the West. The Warsaw Pact just wasn't worth it. Read Stefan's posts. They were truly and utterly despised and hated in Eastern Europe. Where the Soviet pouched it was in the implosion of the Soviet Union itself. IMO, that was not inevitable.
seahawk Posted January 31 Posted January 31 They had the power to stomp out any unrest, they chose not do.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Im not sure they did anymore. They were so far in the red, they desperately needed US loans and a nuclear deal to try and get the country straight. If they cracked down on dissidents and shooting protesters, the US would give them the sticky finger, and the end was inevitable. Even the party's means of control had been eroded by Glasnost. They simply couldnt lie and obfuscate successfully anymore. The USSR by the late 1980's was doomed, the only choice left was what kind of doom it would be. Peaceful disintegration, or civil war and disintegration. In the end, looking at the war in Ukraine, they eventually got both.
seahawk Posted January 31 Posted January 31 China showed us, that you can do it, if you have strong leaders that do what needs to be done.
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Yes, but China never really politically liberalized. Also, its economy doesnt seem to have been as hobbled by corruption as the USSR was, right from the start. The USSR never really got a handle on that (Neither has Russia). China certainly has corruption, but not anything like the same degree the USSR had. It also market liberalized before political liberalization, the USSR arguably did it the wrong way around. That allowed the Chinese to go hardball whenever they felt like it. The capacity for the USSR to do that was strangled by a desire to improve relations with the west. Lastly, the USSR for the last 4 decades of its life was engaged in a cold war. So to a lesser extent was China, but I do not believe that they really went all in the same way the USSR did. For example, the Chinese nuclear forces were relatively meagre compared to the Soviet, even Russian nuclear forces until comparatively recently. They were also an exceptionally late adopter of SSBN's.
ink Posted January 31 Posted January 31 It's not corruption that's the problem, it's a deeply ingrained culture and tradition of what good governance means. The Russians never had that. The Chinese have it in spades. These are massive generalisations, of course, and I'm not sure they tell you anything about the world (not that armies of crappy journos and historians haven't made careers out of writing hundreds of books that can be summarised by my first paragraph in this post).
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Well you are of course entirely right about the Chinese. If they didnt have one of the first effective means of administration, its inconceivable that they could have built the Great Wall of China. Ditto the Egyptians of course. Ive read that corruption in the Tsarist colonial administrations was a feature, not a bug. It was so the state didnt have to spend so much in their upkeep, so these Governers were all on the fiddle to make up their derisory wages. The logical approach would have been to pay them properly and have efficient administrations, but seemingly that didnt seem to occur to anyone.
JWB Posted January 31 Posted January 31 https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1885263100091187430 The Russian Interior Ministry announced the arrest of three top executives from "Rosnano" over the alleged misuse of more than 43 billion rubles ($353 million). Investigators claim that in 2017, they manipulated financial reports to hide Rosnano’s poor economic performance, misleading the Russian government into maintaining state guarantees and providing additional funding.
Roman Alymov Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, JWB said: https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1885263100091187430 The Russian Interior Ministry announced the arrest of three top executives from "Rosnano" over the alleged misuse of more than 43 billion rubles ($353 million). Investigators claim that in 2017, they manipulated financial reports to hide Rosnano’s poor economic performance, misleading the Russian government into maintaining state guarantees and providing additional funding. Are you kidding?
JWB Posted February 1 Posted February 1 8 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Are you kidding? Why do you ask?
Roman Alymov Posted February 1 Posted February 1 17 hours ago, JWB said: Why do you ask? Because your consistant failure to do basic homework of checking one page back to see if another Western news is actually something new is remarkable. Let me advise you to pay more attention to Russian souces, if you really want to find good stories "Collapse. Russian Railways has been recording minimum train speeds since 1960 Russian Railways (RZD) faced serious problems that led to a transport collapse. According to the HSE, the average technical speed of freight trains on the Russian Railways network in 2022 fell to 40.6 km/h, the lowest value since 1960. The average local speed, taking into account parking time, decreased to 35.7 km/h, which was also the lowest since 1993. According to statistics, freight trains have been moving slower by 4-5% over the past year, and compared to 2021, the speed has dropped by almost 10%. Experts attribute these changes to an increase in traffic volumes and the redirection of trade flows to the east of the country. Sources close to Russian Railways indicate that the railway system, one of the longest in the world, has plunged into chaos due to the large number of abandoned trains and congestion. The problems are compounded by a shortage of spare parts due to international sanctions and a shortage of personnel. Experts from the Association of Commercial Seaports (ASOP) note that during the year Russian Railways lagged behind its transportation schedule by at least 25%. In October, the situation reached a critical point: containers from the Far East reached central Russia in 2 months. As a result, importers began using trucks to deliver goods, as wagons could be idle at stations in Siberia for months. ASOP estimates that about 80 million tons of imported goods are stuck on the railways (https://t.me/akcentysp/5801 This is a quarter of the goods purchased in Asia through the Far Eastern ports." ( https://t.me/emphasises/12174 )
Roman Alymov Posted February 1 Posted February 1 One more M113 captured and put to use by VDV. Seems to me first forvard right torsion bar broken.... https://t.me/boris_rozhin/153310
JWB Posted February 2 Posted February 2 6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Because your consistant failure to do basic homework of checking one page back to see if another Western news is actually something new is remarkable. Let me advise you to pay more attention to Russian souces, if you really want to find good stories Are you referring to the post by X-files? That post said "detained". My post said "arrested" Those 2 words are not the same.
Roman Alymov Posted February 2 Posted February 2 5 hours ago, JWB said: Are you referring to the post by X-files? That post said "detained". My post said "arrested" Those 2 words are not the same. Ok, then it is logical for me to expect you to keep reporting on other stages of this affair - criminal investigation started, searches conducted in the offices and houses, investigation, trail, doing time in jail and so on. May be you would even consider starting special thread for that, sort of "Chubais deputies and their friends in magic prison land"
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