The Kremlin is burning?

[Stefan Kotsch]

38 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

I wrote about the first war against Finland, which started on 30. November 1939. Was there another one before that?

In the period from 1918 to ...

Ok, let's leave it at that. There is no reasonable argument here.

The borders between Finland and the USSR were clarified under international law before autumn 1939 and recognized by both states. As is the case today with the attack on Ukraine, history is once again being rewritten. Until it suits the Kremlin.
Give us what we want from your territory. Or we'll kill you.

As they always say: The future is secured. But the past can change.

[JWB]

China, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan will build a railway bypassing Russia.  

Source: TSN

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1873310129208115708

 

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

China, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan will build a railway bypassing Russia.  

 

TSRR I think is pretty busy these days moving traffic from China to Europe.  I didn't know that Uzbekistan was in Europe and that a rail line to there would somehow bypass the existing one.  Thanks for posting that, it's good to learn new things.

[urbanoid]

43 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

TSRR I think is pretty busy these days moving traffic from China to Europe.  I didn't know that Uzbekistan was in Europe and that a rail line to there would somehow bypass the existing one.  Thanks for posting that, it's good to learn new things.

Wow, who knew you were so smart? 

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, JWB said:

China, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan will build a railway bypassing Russia.  

Source: TSN

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1873310129208115708

Quite logical step for China as they know pro-Western comprador elite of Russian Federation will "sell" relations with China in exchange for return of their London palaces the very moment they will be given opportunity to.

     More interesting question is why China is so concerned with land routes to Europe: yes EU is major market (even bigger then USA) and maritime route to this market is prone to be easily interrupted by US&UK team. But EU is now controlled by USA, and the very idea that China will be allowed to trade with EU via land corridor when sea trade is blocked by USA, is, as for me, self-illusion. Why, taking this into account, waste money on land route when currently sea route is cheap and well established? Seems like at least part of China leadership is grabbing the straw of hope to continue "business as usual" while facing global conflict....

[Yama]

9 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Yes i know, but it is not making Finland actions less piracy.

Cook Islands can always send their navy to claim it back.

[Roman Alymov]

"The route of the plane from the special flight detachment "Russia" indicates that someone from the leadership of the Russian Federation may have spent two days in Washington this week. This may indicate secret negotiations, the results of which may become known in the coming days.

Also, the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin said that the curfew in the republic will be lifted from December 31 to January 7.

It is known that this aircraft is used by the top Russian leadership for official flights. Dmitry Medvedev had previously flown it. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov used this special aircraft, for example, to fly to the UNGA session in 2023. It was also previously reported that the IL-96-300 was used by the head of the SVR, Sergei Naryshkin. 

It is not known for what purposes and who exactly flew a special flight in the United States from December 26 to December 28. The American side, as well as the Russian side, did not inform about the visit of any delegation from the Russian Federation to the United States.

Earlier today, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia was not satisfied with the proposals of Donald Trump's team on Ukraine.:

Of course, we are not satisfied with the proposals made by representatives of the President-elect's team to postpone Ukrainian membership in NATO for 20 years, as well as to introduce a peacekeeping contingent of "British and European forces" into Ukraine." ( https://t.me/aviapro1/67820 )

[Roman Alymov]

2 minutes ago, Yama said:

Cook Islands can always send their navy to claim it back.

That is the reason Soviet Trade fleet was sailing under Red Flag, not all sorts of "convenient flags".  Article from 2017 on that Вернуть флаг России на торговый флот!

[Mighty_Zuk]

I love seeing Houthi-lovers crying about Russian ships also getting snatched.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Mighty_Zuk

[Roman Alymov]

13 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

I love seeing Houthi-lovers crying about Russian ships also getting snatched.

Thank you for this analogy. As far as i remember, Houti capital was recently bombed, with port, power station etc. destroyed. I hope one day Russia will have leadership equally decisive in communicating the message.

[LeeWalls]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

Thank you for this analogy. As far as i remember, Houti capital was recently bombed, with port, power station etc. destroyed. I hope one day Russia will have leadership equally decisive in communicating the message.

Be careful what you wish for.   You just might get it some day.

[Roman Alymov]

2 hours ago, LeeWalls said:

Be careful what you wish for.   You just might get it some day.

As i have repeatedly told here, current scenario of Russian Federation led by weak pro-Western comprador elite is escalating into two possible outcomes: strategic nuclear exchange or all-out foreign intervention Iraq-style (probably, followed by strategic nuclear exchange). Weakness is provoking enemies (see nymerous "red lines" crossed by West).

[KV7]

6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Quite logical step for China as they know pro-Western comprador elite of Russian Federation will "sell" relations with China in exchange for return of their London palaces the very moment they will be given opportunity to.

     More interesting question is why China is so concerned with land routes to Europe: yes EU is major market (even bigger then USA) and maritime route to this market is prone to be easily interrupted by US&UK team. But EU is now controlled by USA, and the very idea that China will be allowed to trade with EU via land corridor when sea trade is blocked by USA, is, as for me, self-illusion. Why, taking this into account, waste money on land route when currently sea route is cheap and well established? Seems like at least part of China leadership is grabbing the straw of hope to continue "business as usual" while facing global conflict....

Two things, parts of Europe might be more neutral, also it is likely in some cases economical to extend projects that link Central Asia etc. The gains from connecting to Europe only need to justify the line extension if it was going to go more then half the way there already. But getting to Europe means going through Russia anyway at some point.

The CKU line is not new line all the way to Europe, it goes to Andijan, and then there are extant lines through Turkmenistan to Iran, though I think Iran also has some projects to increase it's connection to Central Asia.

Edited December 30, 2024 by KV7

[urbanoid]

11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

As i have repeatedly told here, current scenario of Russian Federation led by weak pro-Western comprador elite is escalating into two possible outcomes: strategic nuclear exchange or all-out foreign intervention Iraq-style (probably, followed by strategic nuclear exchange). Weakness is provoking enemies (see nymerous "red lines" crossed by West).

I guess I can understand why such very improbable scenarios are being portrayed as 'the only possible ones', potentially more mobilizing and giving far greater relevance to you lot. A much less risky outcome and as such a far more likely* one, i.e. Russia being shown its place in a corner and being told to stay there must be too damaging to Russian soul.

*not likely either, just far more likely (or less unlikely) than those two harebrained ideas meant to rally West(Appeasement Party)-oppressed Russians under the Holy Cause™.

[seahawk]

11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

As i have repeatedly told here, current scenario of Russian Federation led by weak pro-Western comprador elite is escalating into two possible outcomes: strategic nuclear exchange or all-out foreign intervention Iraq-style (probably, followed by strategic nuclear exchange). Weakness is provoking enemies (see nymerous "red lines" crossed by West).

Helsinki would have been a suitable target.

[urbanoid]

4 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Helsinki would have been a suitable target.

Also Nazi Baltics and Nazi Poland. And the Perfidious Nazi Albion too, so the continental Europeans don't fall for Anglo-JewiNazi tricks anymore.

[Stuart Galbraith]

On 12/29/2024 at 10:51 PM, Roman Alymov said:

Thank you for this analogy. As far as i remember, Houti capital was recently bombed, with port, power station etc. destroyed. I hope one day Russia will have leadership equally decisive in communicating the message.

As your Baltic fleet was decisively defeated by a Nation that doesnt even have a navy anymore, I wouldnt get your hopes too high.

[Stuart Galbraith]

20 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Also Nazi Baltics and Nazi Poland. And the Perfidious Nazi Albion too, so the continental Europeans don't fall for Anglo-JewiNazi tricks anymore.

IslamoJewish Nazi Albion Communist Homosex Gay Zombie tricks. Stay on message.

[Roman Alymov]

20 hours ago, urbanoid said:

I guess I can understand why such very improbable scenarios are being portrayed as 'the only possible ones', potentially more mobilizing and giving far greater relevance to you lot. A much less risky outcome and as such a far more likely* one, i.e. Russia being shown its place in a corner and being told to stay there must be too damaging to Russian soul.

*not likely either, just far more likely (or less unlikely) than those two harebrained ideas meant to rally West(Appeasement Party)-oppressed Russians under the Holy Cause™.

Let me remind you that starting positions for 2022 (and even more for 2014) was Russian Federation directly controlled by West-dependent gang, people significant part of whom turned out to be foreign citizes, so the "corner" you mean was the starting point. Now, 3(or even 10) years later, significant part of this gang left to West (like proud citizen of Israel Anatoly Chubais), others have lost their positions (like Shoigu and Medvedev) and are just shadows of former political status. Hundreds of thousands of grass root Russians are now not only armed and trained, but are mixed with Novorossia militia and volunteers  who are exxactly the people who hate "collective Putin" and West to maximum degree possible. Do you understand that now next to all commanders under btn level are former volunteers or mobilized civilians from the first wave of mobilisation in 2022? Pro-Western gang can't rely on Army anymore - and, as we see during "Wagner's march", nobody in Russia would step in defence of aging gedonists in Kremlin if shit hits the fan (for example, popular division commander decide it is high time to replace "parthners of the West" with compitent patriots).

[urbanoid]

2 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Let me remind you that starting positions for 2022 (and even more for 2014) was Russian Federation directly controlled by West-dependent gang, people significant part of whom turned out to be foreign citizes, so the "corner" you mean was the starting point. Now, 3(or even 10) years later, significant part of this gang left to West (like proud citizen of Israel Anatoly Chubais), others have lost their positions (like Shoigu and Medvedev) and are just shadows of former political status. Hundreds of thousands of grass root Russians are now not only armed and trained, but are mixed with Novorossia militia and volunteers  who are exxactly the people who hate "collective Putin" and West to maximum degree possible. Do you understand that now next to all commanders under btn level are former volunteers or mobilized civilians from the first wave of mobilisation in 2022? Pro-Western gang can't rely on Army anymore - and, as we see during "Wagner's march", nobody in Russia would step in defence of aging gedonists in Kremlin if shit hits the fan (for example, popular division commander decide it is high time to replace "parthners of the West" with compitent patriots).

No, it was NOT the starting situation, not even close. If it was, there would be no Georgia 2008, no Ukraine 2014 and certainly no Ukraine 2022. In fact the world would likely be grateful, several hundred thousand would be still breathing, several hard political and economic decisions would not have to be made. For our part of the world that would actually be the history that ended - obviously in fact it never did, but it damn well should have.

[Roman Alymov]

On 12/29/2024 at 8:02 PM, Stefan Kotsch said:

Ok, let's leave it at that. There is no reasonable argument here.

For people who were decision makers back then this events were fresh memory.

On 12/29/2024 at 8:02 PM, Stefan Kotsch said:

Ok, let's leave it at that. There is no reasonable argument here.

The borders between Finland and the USSR were clarified under international law before autumn 1939 and recognized by both states. As is the case today with the attack on Ukraine, history is once again being rewritten. Until it suits the Kremlin.
Give us what we want from your territory. Or we'll kill you.

A lot od borders were changed since 1939. 

[Roman Alymov]

Just now, urbanoid said:

No, it was NOT the starting situation, not even close. If it was, there would be no Georgia 2008, no Ukraine 2014 and certainly no Ukraine 2022.

     When Saakashvilli (with support of West) attacked Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia in 2008, in theory it was possible for RF leadership to turn the blind eye on it, but the price for that would be another tour of war on Caucasus (as North Ossetia will rebell against this decision to allow their brothers being slaughtered by Georgians, and Islamists in Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia would use the chance to settle their accounts with both Ossetians who are Christians and Russians). Effectively, in 2008 the choice was between quickly extinguishing Georgian offencive in brief military campaign, and decades of war in the mountains of entire North Causasus. Not surprising even pro-Western gang took the decision that gave them political survival (at least for few more years).

      In 2014, again, the choice for Russian elite was between doing nothing (and loosing power - as "colelctive Putin" popularity was allready low and lack of action to such extent will cause public explosion they would not survive) and imitation of action. Not surprising, "imitation of action" way was chosen that gave them few more years of political survival.

        What most Western commenters do noit underst and is that real "Russian opposition" is not West puppets like Navalny&Co, but millions of Russians who hate West.

[urbanoid]

3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

        What most Western commenters do noit underst and is that real "Russian opposition" is not West puppets like Navalny&Co, but millions of Russians who hate West.

I certainly do, that's why I'd rather marginalize Russia by creating a proper cordon sanitaire than engage in some bullshit deals that Russia is going to ignore the moment it feels like it. Even the Russia you claim to be 'pro-Western'.

[Roman Alymov]

42 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

I certainly do, that's why I'd rather marginalize Russia by creating a proper cordon sanitaire than engage in some bullshit deals that Russia is going to ignore the moment it feels like it. Even the Russia you claim to be 'pro-Western'.

It is not up to you to decide, my Slavic brother: this game is not about Russia (West was in total control of it prior to 2014, and even now could hope tp restore this colonial relations if proposing carrot sweet enough for Russian elite - at least, there are high chances for that). There was no point to start all this for West just to come back to starting point. Real aim is China ("Make Russia China's Ukraine") and no untermensch would be spared for this task (even if this untermensch consider themselves members of the West).

[urbanoid]

Just now, Roman Alymov said:

It is not up to you to decide, my Slavic brother: this game is not about Russia (West was in total control of it prior to 2014, and even now could hope tp restore this colonial relations if proposing carrot sweet enough for Russian elite - at least, there are high chances for that). There was no point to start all this for West just to come back to starting point. Real aim is China ("Make Russia China's Ukraine") and no untermensch would be spared for this task (even if this untermensch consider themselves members of the West).

It can only be true when viewing the situation through very specific lenses (besieged* fortress mentality), which you seem to be doing. The West was acting under the illusions that it can ultimately co-opt Russia to break with China (reverse Nixon) for years, I have claimed for years that the very idea is a folly. Of course, Russian elites were playing along and fueling those illusions, as it was beneficial for them to do so. And no, even then it wouldn't include sending the Russians to fight the Chinese, denying them the secure reservoir of resources that cannot be intercepted by US Navy would have been more than enough. And no, nobody else will be invading China either, it's about keeping them in a cage, as long as it happens they're ultimately a second rate power.

Western elites like their luxurious lives as much as Russian ones, they won't be doing a 'Barbarossa' which could end very badly, hence the old becomes new again and the idea of a cordon sanitaire returns. And no, it would not be a starting point, it would be a situation backed by an armed force and not some talks and promises, hence not depending on Moscow's mood swings.

Chill, nobody is out to get you, making you irrelevant is perfectly sufficient from Western point of view, at the same time the idea may possibly be more damaging to Russian psyche.

*well, the siege you have earned, but that one is still just in order to keep you out