The Kremlin is burning?

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19 hours ago, sunday said:

How quaint. A quick google search would show a number of other sources.

I am sure you could do that.

But, heck, in case you prefer to keep Stuarting and continue to keep a stance when there are facts that disagree with that, or moving the goalposts to claim that something that was relevant for you is no relevant anymore, be my guest.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas to you too!

Look, I'm happy to accept there's been a drop in IQ - even though the evidence for this seems particularly thin and none of the sources indicate by how much IQs have dropped* - but how this translates into a political shift of the scale we're seeing appears unclear at best.

Even if it could scientifically be shown that a larger number of low-IQ voters are turning out at ballots, this doesn't explain why the options they are being offered (in the UK and US, principally) have also changed course.

In short, a shift in the behaviours, priorities, and aims of political elites continues, in my opinion, to be a stronger explanation of the current flux.

 

* Not to mention that, even if a slight drop has been recorded, this could be easily explained away by changes in the methodology of data gathering or sample selection - given that only a couple of studies indicate any decline at all.

Edited December 25, 2024 by ink

[Stefan Kotsch]

People with lower intelligence used to have no opportunity to express themselves in public. Today, with social media that is accessible to everyone, there is the impression of declining intelligence. I therefore think that impression is deceptive.

🤗

[RETAC21]

10 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

People with lower intelligence used to have no opportunity to express themselves in public. Today, with social media that is accessible to everyone, there is the impression of declining intelligence. I therefore think that impression is deceptive.

🤗

LOL, read yesterday: Before the internet we used to think there was only one idiot per village. 

[seahawk]

Sorry, but no. The big difference, which was  created by the left, is that we moved from the expectation to acknowledge an opinion and to tell the person how stupid that opinion is, to the idea that you have to respect an opinion no matter how stupid it is.

The idea of the left was to dictate public opinion, but once you reach the stage when "I have a penis, but I am a woman" becomes an acceptable opinion, you can not put stupid back in the bag. But now everybody wants the right to have his own stupid opinion respected.

[Mighty_Zuk]

3 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

People with lower intelligence used to have no opportunity to express themselves in public. Today, with social media that is accessible to everyone, there is the impression of declining intelligence. I therefore think that impression is deceptive.

🤗

True representation of intelligence can be observed in elections. There one can also differentiate between the various intelligence types.

Edited December 25, 2024 by Mighty_Zuk

[seahawk]

Why I am not surprised you would say that.

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

Why I am not surprised you would say that.

Because I am consistent and value intelligence, morals, and hard work above all.

[Roman Alymov]

19 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Literally what Brzezinski wrote in the 1990s, needless to say he didn't come up with this himself, around here it was considered obvious 100+ years ago.

https://x.com/martinez_clips/status/1871621555706618029

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aleksandr-dugin-russia-ukraine-vladimir-putin-60-minutes-2022-04-12/

  It is popular myth but historic reality is Russian Empire was created in 1721 when what is now "Ukraine" was mostly Ottoman Empire or Poland. Note Kamchatrka was allready part of Russia by that time.... 

[seahawk]

1 hour ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Because I am consistent and value intelligence, morals, and hard work above all.

And a political orientation does tell you nothing about the intelligence of the person - extreme fringe opinions aside. 

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

  It is popular myth but historic reality is Russian Empire was created in 1721 when what is now "Ukraine" was mostly Ottoman Empire or Poland. Note Kamchatrka was allready part of Russia by that time.... 

It's not about the name of the country. 

[Mighty_Zuk]

55 minutes ago, seahawk said:

And a political orientation does tell you nothing about the intelligence of the person - extreme fringe opinions aside. 

Wrote a long response. Closed PC. Didn't restore. I'll write briefly.

Those who vote for parties less ideologically compatible for them than alternatives, are likely less intelligent. Those who attract to populism are less intelligent.

For example in Israel our "right wing" are and have been socialist and dovish for decades, and their voters believe them. It comes as no surprise that they also dominate the bottom ranks in terms of education.

There are also parties focused on internal policies, and others focused on foreign policy. People voting for either can be intelligent, but prioritize one form of intelligence over another in an unhealthy balance.

[JWB]

I.Q. ?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/night-sweats-and-delusions-of-grandeur/202203/the-lasting-harm-of-childhood-lead-exposure-on

[mkenny]

Intelligent people can also be stupid people. Look at Newton. Brilliant man but a full half of his life was devoted to Alchemy.

[JWB]

Igor Girkin, in a new message to his supporters from prison, declares the futility of the special military operation and the Kremlin's inability to wage total war. He predicts either a soft capitulation by Moscow or the collapse of its military machine if the war continues in its current trajectory.

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1871895698884513954

[sunday]

16 minutes ago, mkenny said:

Intelligent people can also be stupid people. Look at Newton. Brilliant man but a full half of his life was devoted to Alchemy.

Plus he stole from Leibniz the credit for the invention of differential calculus.

[Mighty_Zuk]

2 hours ago, mkenny said:

Intelligent people can also be stupid people. Look at Newton. Brilliant man but a full half of his life was devoted to Alchemy.

That's why I separate wise from smart.

Smart people can have any amount of academic degrees but fail to solve basic problems. 

Wise people can solve any problem but fail to acquire academic degrees.

 

[mkenny]

38 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

That's why I separate wise from smart.

Smart people can have any amount of academic degrees but fail to solve basic problems. 

Wise people can solve any problem but fail to acquire academic degrees.

 

That is the argument currently  used to discredit all 'science/education' and replace it with the mantra  'do your own research'.  AKA the first internet search you get that agrees with you. 

When  Musk eventually buys GOOGLE the planet is fcuked. 

Edited December 25, 2024 by mkenny

[Mighty_Zuk]

9 hours ago, mkenny said:

That is the argument currently  used to discredit all 'science/education' and replace it with the mantra  'do your own research'.  AKA the first internet search you get that agrees with you. 

When  Musk eventually buys GOOGLE the planet is fcuked. 

Then you don't understand my argument.

Those who go for the first google search don't qualify as "doing research".

[mkenny]

7 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

 

Those who go for the first google search don't qualify as "doing research".

I know that-but they do not.  They genuinely believe that asking Google for the answer they want and ignoring all answers that contradict is 'doing your own research'.  

[Roman Alymov]

21 hours ago, JWB said:

Igor Girkin, in a new message to his supporters from prison, declares the futility of the special military operation and the Kremlin's inability to wage total war. He predicts either a soft capitulation by Moscow or the collapse of its military machine if the war continues in its current trajectory.

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1871895698884513954

It is interesting how you (or, rater, media sources you base on_ is misinterpriting the message.

Original text (from https://t.me/strelkovii/6947 )

ИГОРЬ СТРЕЛКОВ:

Коротко сообщаю своё видение ситуации:
— Противник демонстрирует готовность вести "тотальную войну до победного конца" — именно это обязаны подчеркнуть откровенно — террористические налёты (ставшие уже ежедневными) на крупные и малые российские города (подряд Рыльск, Казань, Орёл и т. д.). Враг показывает Москве, что никакие "Орешники" его не напугали "от слова совсем", поскольку удары наносятся "всего лишь" по пром. Предприятиям и инфраструктуре, тогда как бо́льшую часть вооружения / снаряжения и всякого рода амуниции ВСУ получают из-за границы и (таким образом) ВС РФ не способны даже теоретически существенно нарушить снабжение вражеского фронта всем необходимым (а на проблемы и страдания русского населения "украины" властям наплевать — "злее будут" — на "Москалей", естественно).
"Москва"-же столь-же "тотально" воевать явно не готова — это "выше скромных сил" некоторых высокопоставленных руководителей, а ещё — требует от них принять на себя всю полноту ответственности за ведение войны (тогда как за СВО отвечает только Минобороны — и то — это не точно).
"Укра" будет своими нарастающими (по числу и массированию средств) ударами "толкать" Москву на как раз такое "перенапряжение", рассчитывая (возможно, не без основания), что (в условиях растущей усталости населения России от безтолковой СВО) наши власти либо "мягко капитулируют", либо всё-таки "напрягутся" и вскоре "надорвутся". Оба варианта вполне устраивают те силы, что стоят "за спиной" у Киева и реально руководят процессом. И которые, увы (как показала практика), "Москве" "не по зубам" — это те самые "красные линии", которые наши руководители "в страшном сне" никогда не перейдут.

С уважением, И. В. Гиркин
22.12.24"

Translation 

"IGOR STRELKOV:

I will briefly share my vision of the situation:
— The enemy is demonstrating its readiness to wage an "all-out war to the bitter end" — this is exactly what openly terrorist attacks (which have already become daily) on large and small Russian cities (in a row, Rylsk, Kazan, Orel, etc.) are obliged to emphasize. The enemy shows Moscow that no "Oreshnik" scared him "from the word at all", since the blows are inflicted "only" on the industry enterprises and infrastructure, while most of the weapons / equipment and all kinds of ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are received from abroad and (thus) the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are not even theoretically capable of significantly disrupting the supply of the enemy front with everything necessary (and the <Kiev> authorities do not care about the problems and sufferings of the Russian population of "Ukraine" - "they will be angrier" -  at "Muscovites", of course).
Moscow is clearly not ready to fight just as "totally" — this is "beyond the modest forces" of some high-ranking leaders, and it also requires them to assume full responsibility for waging war (whereas only the Ministry of Defense is responsible for SVO— and even this is not for sure).
With its increasing (in number and massing of means) strikes, Ukrain will "push" Moscow into just such an "overexertion", hoping (perhaps not without reason) that (given the growing fatigue of the Russian population from senseless way military operation is conducted) our authorities will either "gently capitulate" or still "they will strain themselves" and soon "break down." Both options are quite acceptable to those forces that stand "behind" Kiev and are really leading the process. And which, alas (as practice has shown), are "too tough"  for "Moscow"— these are the very "red lines" that our leaders "even in a terrible dream" will never cross.

Sincerely, I. V. Girkin
22.12.24"

[ink]

War f***ing sucks and people are right to hope for it to end.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/26/support-for-ukraine-russia-war-yougov-poll-survey

Personally, I'd have preferred for it never to have started in the first place...

Anway, it's interesting to see the differences between EU countries in the above poll.

[Roman Alymov]

3 minutes ago, ink said:

War f***ing sucks and people are right to hope for it to end.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/26/support-for-ukraine-russia-war-yougov-poll-survey

Personally, I'd have preferred for it never to have started in the first place...

Anway, it's interesting to see the differences between EU countries in the above poll.

"About 66% of Danes, 63% of Swedes and Spaniards, 59% of Britons, 53% of Germans and Italians and 52% of French said overall assistance to Ukraine was either not quite, or not nearly enough. However, few thought their country should increase support.

Minorities ranging from 29% in Sweden, through to 21% in the UK and Germany, to 14% in France and just 11% in Italy felt their government should increase aid to Ukraine, with larger proportions in every country saying it should either be maintained or reduced."

   It means "It is nice thing to have more Russians killing Russians, but we are not ready to pay more for it".

[urbanoid]

'Russian propagandist Simonyan:

"There is nothing good about us leaving Syria. I'd be happy if we could afford to be in Ukraine, in Syria, and, if called again, to deal with some terrorists in Kazakhstan, and, if suddenly called to Georgia, to deal with those American CIA protesters, and to be all over the world. I'd be happy for us to pull it all off with ease. We would have become the gendarmes of Europe, which we were for a while in the 19th century. Unfortunately, that's not the case yet."'

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1872179596474396991

[mkenny]

On 12/25/2024 at 3:06 PM, seahawk said:

And a political orientation does tell you nothing about the intelligence of the person - extreme fringe opinions aside. 

The polls done in the UK since 2000 show that the number of  educational qualifications you have are an indication of which way you vote. In fact the two biggest factors for the way you vote are age and education. The 'right'  voters are  the old and less educated

[Roman Alymov]

11 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

'Russian propagandist Simonyan:

"There is nothing good about us leaving Syria. I'd be happy if we could afford to be in Ukraine, in Syria, and, if called again, to deal with some terrorists in Kazakhstan, and, if suddenly called to Georgia, to deal with those American CIA protesters, and to be all over the world. I'd be happy for us to pull it all off with ease. We would have become the gendarmes of Europe, which we were for a while in the 19th century. Unfortunately, that's not the case yet."'

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1872179596474396991

Interesting, she have not mentioned Armenia (she is ethnic Armenian) while Armenia is clearly on the way of becoming Turkey again....