Josh Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Putin giving a minutes silence to the airmen who died protecting the state. Pointedly the honour guard was all airforce, not Army. Almost as if they arent flavour of the month at the moment. it is totally fitting with the fact that they were largest reported casualties. I wouldn’t overthink it. 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: There are conflicting stories about whether Prighozin has gotten a pardon or not. It would seem as if they are, at the very least, keeping that opaque. Either to keep a noose round his neck, or justify his liquidation at short order I suppose. It wouldn’t shock me if the Kremlin simply didn’t have a plan and just is keeping as many options open as possible. It’s a rather extreme situation. 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: The regime is very, very fragile right now. The demonstrations he keeps making of stability by wheeling out the troops and his fellow ministers, just underlines that happy Untergang vibe. I’d argue the regime bended but held, and that’s good enough. I don’t think there’s anyone else with Prigozhins clout or resources to challenge Putin. I think long term it points to the war being potentially destabilizing to Russian and that Putin’s plan of outlasting the west isn’t without serious risks. I expect him to double down on the war militarily, though it is very unclear what form that would take. Edited June 27, 2023 by Josh
Markus Becker Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) «Western intelligence services worked in the attempted mutiny: the mutiny was inspired by the West and superimposed on Prigozhin's ambitions», - Zolotov, head of the Russian National Guard Zolotov also stated that heavy weapons, including tanks, would appear in the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardiya). This issue has already been discussed with Putin. Apparently, Prigozhin's mutiny accelerated this process. By the way, the issue of heavy armament of the Rosgvardiya is one of the main topics of the propagandists right now. Edited June 27, 2023 by Markus Becker
glenn239 Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, BansheeOne said: Here was everybody fretting "Putin is a steely-eyed nuclear-armed madman, you don't want to back him into a corner by supporting Ukraine (like fighting an aggressor on your own territory is "backing him into a corner), who knows what he might do?" The concern before the war was that Russia is a far stronger state than Ukraine, that Ukraine must therefore lose a war if there is one, and that the Russian nuclear arsenal would prevent NATO from intervening directly.
Roman Alymov Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 20 hours ago, Markus Becker said: And Roman pointed out that the ex military Wagner guys and the more junior active military share a dislike for the very upper ranks. The para military police NG probably chose not to cross swords with highly experienced, actual albeit PMC soldiers. Let me quote from Murz on who are actially Wagner fighters (https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/2160 ) "According to the talk that "WOW, and the whole Wagner cost the country only a billion dollars!?!"* you can safely identify people who do not know how to count money. Well, that is, it is clear to the fool, including the one replicating this particular nonsense, that the main value in Wagner is cadres. Many have these two theses right next to each other - "WOW, and the whole Wagner cost the country only a billion dollars!?!" and "What will happen to SUCH good fighters now?" It remains to remember where "Wagner" got its "Golden composition", which made Syria. The main value, without which there would be no "amazing efficiency". And these were not people from the street. These were the "cream" of the command staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, who fled from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from insanity, ostentation, fraud, nepotism and further, further, further. That is, the entire military system of the country works, it gathers huge crowds of people ready to be military, prepares them, the most capable people are gradually determined, for the sake of which, in fact, a huge machine of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation works, after which... the degrading system creates an intolerable environment for these people, leading them either to leave the army or to join the PMCs. These are people, each of whom, the preparation of each of whom cost the country a lot of money. And their official, state-owned "army" rejected them and gave Prigozhin for FREE. It provided the most valuable foundation for business for nothing. So do not be surprised that a person has been silent for years about the general degradation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and "broke through" him only during his own. The Director was silent because this degradation was beneficial to him. He "skimmed the cream" from the work of a huge, monstrously expensive military mechanism of the country. And only when it became clear that this wonderful scheme in the "big war" did not survive, he began to "hand over accomplices" in exchange for political capital. Yes, this is "Privatization of profits and nationalization of losses" (https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/13269 )." * - it follows President Putin's announcement of total expenditures on Wagner PMC over last year or so.
glenn239 Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 47 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Let me quote from Murz on who are actially Wagner fighters (https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/2160 ) "According to the talk that "WOW, and the whole Wagner cost the country only a billion dollars!?!"* you can safely identify people who do not know how to count money. Are you pro-Prigozhen or are you anti-Prigozhen?
RETAC21 Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Markus Becker said: «Western intelligence services worked in the attempted mutiny: the mutiny was inspired by the West and superimposed on Prigozhin's ambitions», - Zolotov, head of the Russian National Guard Zolotov also stated that heavy weapons, including tanks, would appear in the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardiya). This issue has already been discussed with Putin. Apparently, Prigozhin's mutiny accelerated this process. By the way, the issue of heavy armament of the Rosgvardiya is one of the main topics of the propagandists right now.
glenn239 Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 New report claiming that Prigozhin tried to call Putin directly when he realized he'd miscalculated, but Putin refused to talk to him - New Report Claims Prigozhin Tried To Call Putin When He Realized Rebellion Went Too Far | Watch (msn.com)
Sardaukar Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Good comment was: "Did he get room with window or without?"
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 'I'm sorry, but Vladimir can't take your call right now, but if you leave a message, he will be back with an FSB wet team before you know it'.
Markus Becker Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 Luka teaming up with Prigo makes some sense. Luka doesn't want his country to become a mere province of Russia but what can he do about it? His own people don't like him, his military is shit. A few thousand highly skilled and experienced mercs who don't like the upper leadership of Russia could help him. Ofc, he might not be able to control them.
sunday Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: (...) Luka doesn't want his country to become a mere province of Russia but what can he do about it? His own people don't like him, his military is shit. A few thousand highly skilled and experienced mercs who don't like the upper leadership of Russia could help him. Ofc, he might not be able to control them. Speculation?
Yama Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 5 hours ago, BansheeOne said: Well, I've been fed a steady diet of "Putin is stronk genius 4D chess-playing savior from liberal Western decadence" for the last decade. I am disappoint. And who was it who spoon-fed all that to you? Was it the Kremlin or RT? Nope...
Markus Becker Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, sunday said: Speculation? Of course. What else can one do given such strange events?
sunday Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: Of course. What else can one do given such strange events? IMHO: giving sources, and/or using phrases like "I think that", IMHO, IMNSHO, AFAIK, etc.
Markus Becker Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 I thought that "makes some sense" indicated it was but my WAG. Well, except the part about Luka's reluctance to have Belarus annexed. And the "quality" of his military.
Sardaukar Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: Luka teaming up with Prigo makes some sense. Luka doesn't want his country to become a mere province of Russia but what can he do about it? His own people don't like him, his military is shit. A few thousand highly skilled and experienced mercs who don't like the upper leadership of Russia could help him. Ofc, he might not be able to control them. It'd actually make sense. (As if Russia or Belarus makes sense anyway). Classic "enemy of my enemy thing." Edited June 27, 2023 by Sardaukar
sunday Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: I thought that "makes some sense" indicated it was but my WAG. Well, except the part about Luka's reluctance to have Belarus annexed. And the "quality" of his military. No harm done.
Yama Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: And presumably also abandoned steel foundry and abandoned volcanic base?
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Yama said: And presumably also abandoned steel foundry and abandoned volcanic base? I think those are just option at the moment.
Sardaukar Posted June 27, 2023 Posted June 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Yama said: And presumably also abandoned steel foundry and abandoned volcanic base? More like a basement. Those rarely have windows...
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