The Kremlin is burning?

[Mike1158]

What did Modi get for himself?  What has he put in his back pocket for the day it all comes down around his ears or, did he not get THAT aspect of the deal?

 

Heard to see what Putin could give him to spirit away at this stage.

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33 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Moscow. July 9th. INTERFAX.RU – Negotiations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in an expanded format will not take place, ...

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/970001

So, it's change to the schedule of the visit? Doesn't sound very much like it's worth discussing to me but what do I know.

[Stefan Kotsch]

Well, in diplomacy it is the quiet tones that are informative. Ok, that's a wide area for interpretation and speculation. It is interesting how the Russian KOMMERSANT describes how the delegations were waiting for Modi and Putin to return.

'... however, already at the very beginning of the second they were in the Green Drawing Room of the Kremlin, where two large delegations were waiting for them, although the negotiations were called “in a narrow format.”

The Indian negotiators behaved very roughly, sat in chairs, waited, and did not even talk to each other while the team was away. And their Russian colleagues seemed simply restless.

...

As your friend, I [Modi] always tell you that for the bright future of our future generations, peace is mandatory,” Mr. Modi said what he considered necessary. “Therefore, we believe that war is not the solution.” The solution cannot be through war. Bombs, missiles and rifles cannot ensure peace, so we emphasize dialogue, and dialogue is necessary.

There was no arguing with this, but it was also not what Vladimir Putin probably wanted to hear right now. '

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6821351

 

Edited July 10, 2024 by Stefan Kotsch

[seahawk]

But that is what Russia is saying: The world needs to come together and find a solution for stability that removes the Nazis from power in the Ukraine and grants stability to the people. The obvious solution is for the Ukraine to become a part of Russia.

[Roman Alymov]

On 7/10/2024 at 2:19 PM, Mike1158 said:

What did Modi get for himself?  What has he put in his back pocket for the day it all comes down around his ears or, did he not get THAT aspect of the deal?

 

Heard to see what Putin could give him to spirit away at this stage.

 

[JWB]

 

[Roman Alymov]

"The contours of the planned dirty deal are beginning to become clearer. 

"Representatives of Russia should participate in the second conference on the settlement of the Ukrainian conflict," Zelensky told according to TASS. He reportedly added that preparations for its holding should be completed by November 2024.

The West needs a break. They need to launch their military industry. This is a complex process that takes time. Therefore, they hang a carrot in front of the eternally deceived and promise to make concessions. In fact, the enemy will stall for time as for 8 years of the Minsk agreement. 

When the West is technically ready to continue the war, it will go on the offensive again, and the rejuvenating politician will start telling us again how he was fulled, deceived and led by the nose. 

Any agreement without Russia reaching to the Polish-Soviet border will be a defeat in the war. By the way, American analysts openly talk about this." ( https://t.me/KvachkovV/1624 )

[Josh]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

"The contours of the planned dirty deal are beginning to become clearer. 

"Representatives of Russia should participate in the second conference on the settlement of the Ukrainian conflict," Zelensky told according to TASS. He reportedly added that preparations for its holding should be completed by November 2024.

The West needs a break. They need to launch their military industry. This is a complex process that takes time. Therefore, they hang a carrot in front of the eternally deceived and promise to make concessions. In fact, the enemy will stall for time as for 8 years of the Minsk agreement. 

When the West is technically ready to continue the war, it will go on the offensive again, and the rejuvenating politician will start telling us again how he was fulled, deceived and led by the nose. 

Any agreement without Russia reaching to the Polish-Soviet border will be a defeat in the war. By the way, American analysts openly talk about this." ( https://t.me/KvachkovV/1624 )

That kinda ignores the fact that Russia started this war and made the mistake of expanding it. It would have cost Russia almost no effort to secure the D/LPRs if that was the goal. And then they would have 10,000+ more AFVs to play with and zero NATO involvement.

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

American analysts openly talk about this.

I always find that funny. Some member of parliament from the very last bench far back (or an 'american analyst' ) lets out a fart. And TASS writes that the entire parliament of state XYZ has the same opinion as the Kremlin.

[Roman Alymov]

5 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

I always find that funny. Some member of parliament from the very last bench far back (or an 'american analyst' ) lets out a fart. And TASS writes that the entire parliament of state XYZ has the same opinion as the Kremlin.

Oh come on, that is far more modest then "President Tikhanovskaya" or "President Guaidó". Yes Russian MSM (and Foreign Afairs Ministry) tend to look for opinions they like and then run with them, demonstrating that "there is no need for real war efforts, give us some more time and we will have good surrender terms peace deal that will allow us tostay in power and pretend it was great victory". But they are still not reaching the best practices of Western MSM where complete alternative reality is ok.

[Roman Alymov]

18 minutes ago, Josh said:

That kinda ignores the fact that Russia started this war and made the mistake of expanding it. It would have cost Russia almost no effort to secure the D/LPRs if that was the goal. And then they would have 10,000+ more AFVs to play with and zero NATO involvement.

No, it was impossible for Russia to protect DNR and LNR in 2022 after years of deliberate degradation of Novorossia firces and lack of real preparation of Russian Army without preemptive strike - see below, i have translated summary part of it more than a year ago

 

[Roman Alymov]

More about situation in Berlgorod regions (yandex-translated from  https://t.me/akashevarova/7410  , note it is effectively the same in other "border regions")

"Problems of the Belgorod region. Part 1. 

"Everyone owes the state, the state owes nothing to anyone."  We help Afghans, Palestinians, and Tajiks, but we cannot ensure the safety and well-being of the citizens of our own country. Residents of the frontline districts of the Belgorod region have become hostages of a situation that the regional and federal authorities have not solved for years. 

1. Several thousand residents of Shebekino, Grayvoron and other districts cannot leave their homes. Nowhere. The queue at the PVR. Not all PVRs can accommodate large families, there is no well-thought-out evacuation. For example, over a long period of shelling and deaths of Russian citizens, they could not rebuild any normal houses that large families could move into. Chechnya rebuilt for the Palestinians, but Belgorod could not for its own.

2. In the frontline areas, fines for traffic violations continue to be collected and taxes, fees, and housing and communal services continue to be paid in the same amount. For example, drivers exceed the speed limit in order to break away from the drone, or drive quickly to a dangerous place, the state regularly collects fines for this.

3. Inability to receive compensation for lost (bombed-out housing / car). We have a huge number of complaints that people a) cannot receive compensation, b) partial recovery is also frozen, c) that it is impossible to buy anything, and you can only buy in the Belgorod region, d) compensation is not allowed. People have become hostages of bureaucrats.

4. Social tension in the Belgorod region is growing, no one is working with it. Belgorod residents, who were the first to support our troops in their own area, unfortunately began to feel like a bait for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Our military is told that this is a gray area and they are just shocked that they need to follow orders and beat the enemy near houses where people live. Tension begins between the military and civilians. Neither of them is to blame for this.

I will be publishing a series of posts about Belgorod. This topic is not raised anywhere in our country. Everyone blurs and believes that the state does not owe anything, now is a difficult moment. This fundamentally violates the principle of the state, which is obliged to ensure the safety of its citizens and normalize their way of life. Moreover, funds were sent from the federal budget to help the victims - many of these payments were not received. People have the right to demand respect for their rights, to demand protection from the authorities. 

And the fact that the authorities present some kind of small-scale assistance as something incredible and their achievement also contradicts common sense and the meaning of the authorities - this is your direct responsibility. For this, you are paid a salary from taxes, from the taxes of those very people whom you cannot protect"

"

Problems of the Belgorod region. Part 2.

Some measures to support Belgorod residents remain beautiful words, without getting a real regulatory framework. The regional authorities promised that no utility bills would be charged, but their decision is not binding. And now companies providing services are suing residents of the frontline regions, knocking out utility bills that they promised to write off. 

We talked with the lawyers of the region, who, of course, are now helping their fellow countrymen. We have identified several legal dead ends.

For example, Governor Gladkov announced in the summer of 2023 that utility bills would not be charged to residents of Shebekino until they were fully returned to their homes. However, later it was stated that there would be no charges only until August 1. It was planned to restore the thermal circuit in all affected apartments and houses by this date.

The primary problem, of course, is that restoration work in a daily shelled settlement can be carried out indefinitely. And it is obvious that many Shebekins (and now Belgorod residents) are not ready to return to the affected area simply because the authorities have inserted windows for them. Today they were inserted - tomorrow they were knocked out again, and God grant that there will be no human casualties.

But there is also a less obvious difficulty: despite all the statements of the governor, Belgorodenergosbyt in 2024 decided to collect payment from the Shebekins for those very unfortunate June-July 2023. 

Now there are courts in which, so far, the management companies that have had their accounts rolled out are trying to challenge this penalty (otherwise they will have to charge these amounts to the Shebekins). However, it turns out that the decision of the operstab, which Gladkov spoke about, does not have the force of a normative legal act. 
The regional authorities do not interfere in the situation, although, of course, lawyers have asked for explanations.

Interestingly, Belgorodenergosbyt is the only supplier of resources who felt that he should still get his way from people, many of whom, in fact, had to flee, abandoning everything, saving their lives.

Yesterday's statement by the regional authorities that those who left the shelled areas will not pay for communal services also has no legal force before the companies, and it is quite possible that money will be ripped off from people."

 

[Roman Alymov]

And comments on this situation from https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/24803

"Everything that you write about, and what this woman is talking about, has already happened.

Since 2014, it has already happened and is happening. With the same Russian people. In Donbas. With people who declared their patriotic subjectivity and swore allegiance to Russia. Not with words, but with deeds. Who chose to be with Russia and for Russia. Moreover, they were chosen even against the will of part of the establishment of the Russian Federation. The part of the establishment that did not recognize the 2014 referendum. The part of the establishment that called the LDPR republics ORDLO-U "Separate districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine." The part of the establishment that was ready to deport Russian volunteers into the clutches of the SBU because of minor problems with documents or an unfixed photo (which they should have pasted... on the territory of the ukronazist state). Officials and media people with fish eyes who said that "No one promised Donbass" (c), "Donbass did not want to go to Russia" (c), "Donbass cannot be included in Russia - they will teach bad things (https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/5 )" (c) Who said that "the problems of Donbass are internal problems Ukraine". 
Military advisers from the Russian Federation, who forbade the militias to respond to the attacks of the Ukronazis, because the "Minsk agreements" and the "cunning plan".

All this has been going on for years. There.

What did adequate patriots do then?

They criticized the current situation. Clenching his teeth, despite, continuing to help the Donbass and the units of the People's Militia. They carried humanitarian aid across the border between the Russian Federation and the republics, trying by hook or by crook to smuggle through customs what is needed for the militia from the People's Militia.  Running into absolute inadequacy and prohibitions 
- There's a war there!! How can you not understand!!!
- There is no war there. Don't make it up. There will be a war of "come in at least with a machine gun." (https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/159 ) (I recommend reading the link)

But if then, Roman, in those years, to ask people who fought in the LDPR or helped the republics about the further development of the situation, they would look at you with tired eyes and answer the following:

- If you think that this is a war for Donbass, as your media convinces you, then you are deeply mistaken. This is not a war for Donbass. This is not a war in Ukraine. This is a war FOR THE SOVEREIGNTY AND SUBJECTIVITY OF RUSSIA. Take a good look around and remember. What is happening now and here can also (and will) happen on the territory of continental Russia.
Get ready, train - we are just an outpost. What is happening here can also happen everywhere in Russia. 
Take a closer look, listen to who says what, see who does what.
Russians are not the problems of the Russian Federation, people who look indifferently at the murders of Russians in Donbass - these people are ALREADY PSYCHOLOGICALLY READY to say the same thing about any other Russians from any other territory of the continental Russian Federation. if the same situation develops there. The mechanism will be the same - "you were not promised, you are ballast."
Just remember that. Just keep it in mind.

That's how they would have answered.

Time has passed. Which just confirmed the truth.

There is no other person's trouble and there cannot be. Therefore, we unite and build horizontal ties. We are working.

Ours won't come, all of ours are us."

[JWB]

 

[ink]

That "where did Russians emigrate to" chart isn't very accurate, I would say. By mid-2022, the Serbian government recorded around 140.000 entries by Russians and Ukrainians. Now, of course, some of those are repeat visits and a huge chunk were probablyjust passing through. About 15-20k of those were Ukrainians.

As things stand right now, 30k Russians and 8k Ukrainians have temporary residents permits. However, many Russians are still making visa runs for the border - which means there are also those who don't have those permits. Another chunk, the wealthier ones, are on permanent residents permits.

In short, as is the case with so many things in Serbia, nobody really knows how many Russians/Ukrainians there are here.

 

[JWB]

 

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[mkenny]

13 minutes ago, JWB said:

 

So there are  Travellers in Russia?

[Stuart Galbraith]

Reminds me of a story I heard about the Russian Empire. Their trains started getting unexplained derailments. It turned out peasants were stealing the tie bars out the rail and repurposing them to other useful things. One or two didnt matter. But when the whole village got out it, instant derailment.

Im guessing the bridge was disused of course. Or at least, one would hope...

[JWB]

5 minutes ago, mkenny said:

So there are  Travellers in Russia?

Ask Roman.

[Roman Alymov]

19 minutes ago, JWB said:

Ask Roman.

No idea what is "Travelers", but scrap metal hunting is constant problem here: high demand for scrap metal both from China and from internal steel industry is making it very profitable, so people are ready to do crazy things like searching remote woods for abandoned Soviet-time vehicle wrecks. Unfortunatelly, a lot of WWII tanks (sometimes complete museum-grade  ones) were lost due to it.

The key fact this message from "Anton Gerashchenko" is missing to note is it was unused bridge that was once property of local plant 

"Residents of the Ryazan region illegally dismantled a 60-ton railway bridge for scrap, local media reported. The police are conducting an inspection.

"Upon the dismantling of an inactive bridge, police officers are conducting an inspection. The circumstances of the incident are being clarified," the press service of the regional department of the Interior Ministry told RBC.
The theft of a railway bridge in Skopin, Ryazan region, became known the day before, Ryazan News reported, citing human rights activist Svetlana Konovalova.

According to the publication, the bridge was privatized by the company JSC "Skopinskoe PPZHT". However, the people who sawed and disassembled the bridge said they had found documents according to which the structure does not belong to anyone.

As Konovalova clarified, the parties are familiar with each other and tried to come to an agreement, but it did not work out. The owner of the company has already written an appeal to the police.

According to the Baza telegram channel, parts of the bridge were found at metal reception points in Ryazan. Konovalova appealed to the head of the IC, Alexander Bastrykin, with a request to find and punish those who cut down the bridge.

According to the Mash telegram channel, the bridge belonged to a feed mill, the owners estimated the damage at 300 million rubles. The issue of opening criminal cases under the articles "Theft on a particularly large scale" and "Negligence" is now being resolved." ( В Рязанской области украли 60-тонный железнодорожный мост — РБК (rbc.ru) )

[Roman Alymov]

34 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Reminds me of a story I heard about the Russian Empire. Their trains started getting unexplained derailments. It turned out peasants were stealing the tie bars out the rail and repurposing them to other useful things. One or two didnt matter. But when the whole village got out it, instant derailment.

Im guessing the bridge was disused of course. Or at least, one would hope...

It reminds you "a story" from school litreture course, as it is from Anto Chekhov's story A Malefactor - Wikipedia (turbopages.org)

[Josh]

Well it turns out at least part of the Russian economy is falling:

 

https://www.newsweek.com/top-russian-economist-dies-after-falling-out-window-1929398#:~:text=Valentina Bondarenko%2C a top Russian,run media reported on Tuesday.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Those Russian top story windows must get terribly dirty. As indeed must the sidewalks beneath them...