bojan Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Plane (Il-22) was reportedly taking off from airbase and got nothing to do with Wagner movement/ Plane did not, but apparently someone in Wagner thought that big 4-engined plane in very characteristic livery was a valid target.
Roman Alymov Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, bojan said: Plane did not, but apparently someone in Wagner thought that big 4-engined plane in very characteristic livery was a valid target. Taking into consideration how tense was the situation, it is miracle that number of KIA is just about dozen, not thousands.
bojan Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) You do realize those are worst loses for VKS since some idiot Syrian blasted that airborne command center from the air? It is not "just dozen people", it is 3/12 remaining EW helos and 1/3 (or 5, don't remember ATM) comm aircrafts + trained operators and pilots? Edited June 25, 2023 by bojan
Roman Alymov Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, bojan said: You do realize those are worst loses for VKS since some idiot Syrian blasted that airborne command center from the air? It is not "just dozen people", it is 3/12 remaining EW helos and 1/3 (or 5, don't remember ATM) comm aircrafts + trained operators and pilots? Yes it was highlighted in numerous posts in pro-Rus TG channels. Still, it is far better than having this post-Soviet Civil War spilling to the streets of Rostov, Moscow and who knows what other places. Russia is in civil war -that war started even prior to USSR collapse (see when Soviet Police from Tbilisi was shooting at Soviet Police of Ossetia) and will last for years to come, in one form or another.
sunday Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Did US intelligence know of the mutiny beforehand? https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intelligence-knew-days-advance-wagner-rebellion-briefed-congress
seahawk Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 7 hours ago, sunday said: Did US intelligence know of the mutiny beforehand? https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intelligence-knew-days-advance-wagner-rebellion-briefed-congress Did they stage it?
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Its the CIA. They couldnt fix a sign to a sodding door.
Roman Alymov Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, seahawk said: Did they stage it? At least, they were full of hopes.... By the way inscription on tank reads "Siberia"
Roman Alymov Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Back to what is China's take from events Wagner’s revolt weakening Putin’s authority ‘wishful thinking’ of the West: experts - Global Times (https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202306/1293134.shtml)  "Despite the Western media saying that the revolt exposed the weakness of the Putin administration, the rebellion was quelled in such a short period of time after Putin vowed to take decisive actions on Saturday morning. This in fact shows that the Kremlin maintains a strong capability of deterrence, which will further increase its authority, some experts said. " "However, quelling the revolt in such a short period of time actually consolidated the authority of the Putin administration, which has little impact on the frontline battlefield between Russia and Ukraine," Cui said. " ""Thinking that this revolt targets Putin is wishful thinking, as some Western politicians are used to looking at Russian politics in their imagination, showing that they don't understanding the basic conditions of Russia," Wang said. " Â
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) No idea how accurate this is, but it would explain why they are posting up unattributable library pictures of Shoigu. Â Edited June 26, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith
Roman Alymov Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Wrong thread Edited June 26, 2023 by Roman Alymov
Markus Becker Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Â A realistic assessment of the mess. Btw, Catering:Â Â Â
X-Files Posted June 26, 2023 Author Posted June 26, 2023 I'll just leave this here, for absolutely no reason at all.   Â
urbanoid Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Uh... what nuclear weapons? Are they bringing some with them?
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Well, Putin is going to place nuclear weapons in Belarus (he bangs on about it every week the boring old fart), but last I heard they werent yet there. Presumably they would want to sort the security out first, or at least, so I would hope. I do wonder though, Is it really the coolest idea to put nuclear weapons within reach of a man who just tried to launch a coup on Moscow? Perhaps my idea of what makes sense is considerably at variance with reality, I dont know.... Edited June 26, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith
Sardaukar Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Right, PMC in charge of nuclear weapons is very much straight from Bond movie...
Markus Becker Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Russia has a big problem A few Russian units switched sides and joined Wagner in this little game... here they are: 1) Military unit 11659: Command of the 22nd Separate Guards Special Purpose Brigade (RosGvardia), Commandant Company, 2nd Special Communications Detachment. 2) 411th Detachment of the 22nd Separate Guards Special Purpose Brigade, Stepnoy village, Rostov-on-Don. 3) Practically the entire 108th Bataysk GRU Spetsnaz Detachment with all of their Typhoon military vehicles. 4) Unit 14254: 387th Object "C" of the 12th Main Defence Ministry Directorate (nuclear) in the military town of Voronezh-45. Switched sides/surrendered without any resistance. 5) Border guards at Bugaevka checkpoint in Voronezh. 6) Entire FSB Federal Border Service of the regional command center for Voronezh region of the Central Military District. 7) FSB Border Service at Chertkovo customs & border checkpoint. 😎 Unit 7437: RosGvardia Spetsnaz motorized regiment. 9) Unit 3677: RosGvardia Separate Battalion in Voronezh. 10) Unit 63453: Separate Tank Brigade in Boguchar, Voronezh (MoD). The largest problem is that the entire HQ from the 22nd SPF (SF) brigade switched sides... This unit is deployed to the front fighting in Ukr along side the 45th SF brigade at the front of the counter attack... Its some of Russias best troops.
sunday Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 15 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: Russia has a big problem (...) Source is lacking.
Strannik Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, sunday said: Source is lacking. The source are misc. Uke psy ops accounts, their trolls and useful uncritical ... pUndits.
Markus Becker Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 Probably some Telegram channel or Twitter account that compiled the changing of sides that were reported.Â
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Sardaukar said: Right, PMC in charge of nuclear weapons is very much straight from Bond movie... https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Renard?file=Profile_-_Renard.png Â
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Markus Becker said: Russia has a big problem A few Russian units switched sides and joined Wagner in this little game... here they are: 1) Military unit 11659: Command of the 22nd Separate Guards Special Purpose Brigade (RosGvardia), Commandant Company, 2nd Special Communications Detachment. 2) 411th Detachment of the 22nd Separate Guards Special Purpose Brigade, Stepnoy village, Rostov-on-Don. 3) Practically the entire 108th Bataysk GRU Spetsnaz Detachment with all of their Typhoon military vehicles. 4) Unit 14254: 387th Object "C" of the 12th Main Defence Ministry Directorate (nuclear) in the military town of Voronezh-45. Switched sides/surrendered without any resistance. 5) Border guards at Bugaevka checkpoint in Voronezh. 6) Entire FSB Federal Border Service of the regional command center for Voronezh region of the Central Military District. 7) FSB Border Service at Chertkovo customs & border checkpoint. 😎 Unit 7437: RosGvardia Spetsnaz motorized regiment. 9) Unit 3677: RosGvardia Separate Battalion in Voronezh. 10) Unit 63453: Separate Tank Brigade in Boguchar, Voronezh (MoD). The largest problem is that the entire HQ from the 22nd SPF (SF) brigade switched sides... This unit is deployed to the front fighting in Ukr along side the 45th SF brigade at the front of the counter attack... Its some of Russias best troops. Is that confirmed? That's the nuclear stockpile.
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