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10 hours ago, Strannik said:

Here is the thing: if Western media wouldn't be maliciously stuck in the self-comforting political mythology in the coverage of the RU/UA war with huge parts of story swept under the rug or distorted or whitewashed or straight lied about for two years then millions of folk wouldn't be waiting with such excitement for this interview. 

All Tucker will do is trade one set of lies for another.

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2 minutes ago, Josh said:

All Tucker will do is trade one set of lies for another.

Nice of you to admit that the current Western narrative is build on lies.  And no surprise - you are pre-judging here ;)

At the minimum Western deep state will lose it's narrative dominance and the populace will get a first chance to hear the second side.  No wonder the insane levels of hysterical vitriol from usual suspects.

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23 minutes ago, Strannik said:

Nice of you to admit that the current Western narrative is build on lies.  And no surprise - you are pre-judging here ;)

At the minimum Western deep state will lose it's narrative dominance and the populace will get a first chance to hear the second side.  No wonder the insane levels of hysterical vitriol from usual suspects.

The MSM in the west is certainly misleading and not very representative of what is happening on the ground in Ukraine, and for that reason I tend to gravitate to blogs or boards like this one. ETA( In particular, the western media generally accepts Ukraine accounts as fact with out even mentioning that the numbers or basic facts might be exaggerated or outright lies). That said, the fact that it has an anti Russian bias is completely justified; Russia is a threat to the west and it started this pointless war. It will be interesting to see how Tucker spins this to somehow totally be Biden/Obama's fault, while excluding Trump or George Bush.

ETA: as for Tucker changing the narrative in the west; no. Tucker's base already includes most anyone pro Russia, and to the extent they are not already, he is not going to change anyone's mind. And the majority of Americans do not get their news from Tucker Carlson because he is a right wing political hack with a narrative to sell, not a point of view to expand on. What drives pro Russian sentiment in the US is Trump, and should he lose, his voice and platform slowly fade away.

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2 hours ago, Josh said:

And the majority of Americans do not get their news from Tucker Carlson because he is a right wing political hack with a narrative to sell, not a point of view to expand on. What drives pro Russian sentiment in the US is Trump, and should he lose, his voice and platform slowly fade away.

US politics is off topic here, so I hesitate to go too deep, ... but ;)

I think you (and your ilk) do not see a huge class of people for whom Trump is just an embodiment of the anti-establishment (both Rep and Dem) wave.  The establishment who sold them out and pursues their own interest at the rates unseen for the last 70 yrs.

Yes, there are strictly Trump fans, but majority is not blind to his flaws and failings, it's just there is unfortunately no one else who would take the establishment on.   

In a nutshell - three minutes: 4:00- 7:00

And Rep party is getting cleansed of the establishment types:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/opinion/trump-republican-establishment.html

https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/columnists/2024/01/31/trump-maga-is-republican-party-gop-failure-leadership/72407833007/

 

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On 2/6/2024 at 2:57 PM, Strannik said:

Likely no table.

But on a serious note: Western MSMs are about to lose their narrative.

Why do you think they've been so against Twitter/Musk, Shapiro, Tim Pool and non-monolithic media conglomerates? 

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7 hours ago, Strannik said:

US politics is off topic here, so I hesitate to go too deep, ... but ;)

I think you (and your ilk) do not see a huge class of people for whom Trump is just an embodiment of the anti-establishment (both Rep and Dem) wave.  The establishment who sold them out and pursues their own interest at the rates unseen for the last 70 yrs.

Yes, there are strictly Trump fans, but majority is not blind to his flaws and failings, it's just there is unfortunately no one else who would take the establishment on.   

In a nutshell - three minutes: 4:00- 7:00

And Rep party is getting cleansed of the establishment types:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/opinion/trump-republican-establishment.html

https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/columnists/2024/01/31/trump-maga-is-republican-party-gop-failure-leadership/72407833007/

 

I would say the Putin fans in the Trump faithful are still a minority. Certainly on this forum and others, there are plenty of people enthusiastically voting for Trump who still want aid for Ukraine. That particular sect just seems to think that Trump will actually provide said aid, when I directly engage them on the issue. In any case, Komrad Karlson is not going to move the needle in US politics because most of his audience already thinks the way he does on the issue, or if they do not, they will simply skip his interview. Whatever media bubble I may operate in (and I do read through right wing publications including Fox), I can confidently say Tucker is not going to change the mind of his audience and some how create a new pro Russian ground swell. His audience already *is* the pro Russian groundswell, to the extent it is popular. If it was not an election cycle in the US for the incumbent president, Congress would likely have no problem passing another aid package to Ukraine. And if Biden wins again, that is exactly what will happen, assuming the GOP does not give in before that. The new dynamic is apparently that any border legislation that isn't exactly what the GOP House wants will be dead on arrival (or indeed, likely any border legislation at all so that Trump has an issue to run on). So the Dems will repackage aid to Ukraine with aid to Israel and Taiwan, and see if the Republicans are willing to block spending on Israel in an election year.

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12 hours ago, Josh said:

I would say the Putin fans in the Trump faithful are still a minority. Certainly on this forum and others, there are plenty of people enthusiastically voting for Trump who still want aid for Ukraine. 

https://globalnews.ca/news/10276676/ukraine-russia-war-poll-canada-2024/

74% of Canadians followed the war closely at the start in 2022, down to 54% now.
54% of Canadians say that we cannot afford to fund Ukraine, up from 45% at the start of the war

55% of Liberals think Ukraine should keep fighting, 24% want a settlement

40% of Conservatives want a peace deal, 36% think Ukraine should fight on.  This is a reverse of the usual trend that the Left is more passive, but may reflect the theory that the Left is more willing to swallow the media take on the war, and is probably generally more ignorant of just how badly Ukraine is doing in the war because of that.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/10276676/ukraine-russia-war-poll-canada-2024/

74% of Canadians followed the war closely at the start in 2022, down to 54% now.
54% of Canadians say that we cannot afford to fund Ukraine, up from 45% at the start of the war

55% of Liberals think Ukraine should keep fighting, 24% want a settlement

40% of Conservatives want a peace deal, 36% think Ukraine should fight on.  This is a reverse of the usual trend that the Left is more passive, but may reflect the theory that the Left is more willing to swallow the media take on the war, and is probably generally more ignorant of just how badly Ukraine is doing in the war because of that.

 

 

Or maybe it's about a larger issue.

 

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Old news /Oct. 23/: Russian grain exporting company Food Export Trade LLC  signed a US$26 billion contract to supply China with 70 million tonnes of grain, pulses and oilseeds over the next 12 years.

https://www.producer.com/news/russia-china-grain-deal-raises-concern/

Recent news:

China has cancelled another batch of US wheat import shipments bringing the combined total, of three successive cancelled shipments, to 504k tons, the highest level since 1999.

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