BansheeOne Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 But think of all the boxes full of dusty NVA manuals you won't have to dive into at I&Is to get game development information! 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Oh God, I love dusty military manuals. Whom would want to miss the rich experience of diving into dust, faint diesel fumes, blood and despair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, BansheeOne said: But think of all the boxes full of dusty NVA manuals you won't have to dive into at I&Is to get game development information! 😁 Greatest. Day. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 My pleasure. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 56 minutes ago, Ssnake said: Greatest. Day. Ever. Even if you did not go to ride on the Luchs! This time, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 New developer video: T-80B coming in next patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Yeah, nice innit? Pity its not the baseline T80 variant as well, but Im not sure that ever ended up in the DDR, so they are justified omitting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Novak Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Yeah, nice innit? Pity its not the baseline T80 variant as well, but Im not sure that ever ended up in the DDR, so they are justified omitting it. Baseline T-80 would have same "FCS" as T-64A, worse armor (plain steel turret like T-72 Ural) and new engine. That engine might be interesting as more I play the game more I hate slow reverse speed of T-64 and T-72. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 IIRC less that 200 of base T-80s were produced, so T-80B is logical one to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 20 minutes ago, bojan said: IIRC less that 200 of base T-80s were produced, so T-80B is logical one to implement. 37 minutes ago, Pavel Novak said: Baseline T-80 would have same "FCS" as T-64A, worse armor (plain steel turret like T-72 Ural) and new engine. That engine might be interesting as more I play the game more I hate slow reverse speed of T-64 and T-72. I dont disagree, im just a completist. That and I have the manual for it. I can entirely see why they arent implimenting the ERA though. Maybe with a future DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_goat Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) T-80B will be kickass! Also looks damn good! I think soviets need two more tanks for 1985 setting: - the T-64B of course. - a variant of the T-62 with KDT-1 laser rangefinder and the TShS gunsight. It didnt replace the old variants, but wasnt rare either. Also, Im still against the soviet use of DU rounds. Im 99.9% certain that the 3BM28 for the T-62 wasnt manufactured at all. 125mm 3BM32 in 1985 is also probably pure fantasy. The 1988 edition of the 2A46 manual (part 3, ammunition) doesnt even mention the 3BM32. Most advanced round was the 3BM26, which was brand new in 1985. 3BM32 appeared only in 1990 in manuals, as a supplement for the above mentioned book. (even then Im quite skeptical about its manufacture) Yes yes I know the Vant is here for balance purposes, but when the devs care so much about the historical accuracy of the game in other aspects, it really shouldnt be available. (maybe as an "easy/unhistorical" difficulty option for campaign. As for the 115mm 3BM28, hard delete. Players wouldnt lose anything, since the older 3BM21 was still almost an overkill vs M60 or Leopard-1) Edited March 11 by old_goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Novak Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 The oldest 125mm 3BM-26 I have seen on photo is from 1984. But 3BM-22 was produced even up to 1987! And the oldest 3BM-42 are from 1990. These dates probably are not complete but it still shows that Soviets sucked in modern APFSDS production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) I think DEVs said somewhere (maybe in their Discord channel, etc. Cannot remember anymore) that they have some documents showing 3BM32 for -85. IIRC according to them no DU rounds were historically distriputed outside of SU and they were reserved only for "major war". They decided to model it as Fulda Gap scenario would have been such a "major war". Edited March 11 by MiGG0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 It's worth remembering that they are already modelling lesser tanks and ammunition, to represent losses or expenditure in war. The high end rounds will probably be there only fleetingly in the finished campaign. I still hope they bring the T34 back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_goat Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MiGG0 said: I think DEVs said somewhere (maybe in their Discord channel, etc. Cannot remember anymore) that they have some documents showing 3BM32 for -85. IIRC according to them no DU rounds were historically distriputed outside of SU and they were reserved only for "major war". They decided to model it as Fulda Gap scenario would have been such a "major war". 1985 is the year when "Vant" entered service. But that doesnt mean anything. T-64AM and T-64BM entered service sometime in the 80s, but despite that, none were manufactured. Same story with T-62A. 3BM29 "Nadfil-2" entered service in 1981, but wasnt manufactured at all. One more thing about soviet DU rounds, there isnt a single photo about any of them. (exhibition mockups/experimental museum pieces do not count) Edited March 11 by old_goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, old_goat said: 1985 is the year when "Vant" entered service. But that doesnt mean anything. T-64AM and T-64BM entered service sometime in the 80s, but despite that, none were manufactured. Same story with T-62A. 3BM29 "Nadfil-2" entered service in 1981, but wasnt manufactured at all. IIRC that document was more concrete than just "entered service". I think it was something like that they started to store those, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 14 hours ago, old_goat said: 1985 is the year when "Vant" entered service. But that doesnt mean anything. T-64AM and T-64BM entered service sometime in the 80s, but despite that, none were manufactured. Same story with T-62A. 3BM29 "Nadfil-2" entered service in 1981, but wasnt manufactured at all. One more thing about soviet DU rounds, there isnt a single photo about any of them. (exhibition mockups/experimental museum pieces do not count) You have me intrigued. What were T64AM and BM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 T-64A/Bs with 6TD engine IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 3/11/2024 at 2:43 PM, bojan said: IIRC less that 200 of base T-80s were produced, so T-80B is logical one to implement. 120 to be exact, none deployed to Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 So I have presumably a pretty rare manual then? Nice to know. There was a lot of interesting stuff coming out of Ukraine on Ebay. One of the devs says he wants Centurion in at some point, so presumably they envisage a canuck DLC at some point. I gave them some cent manuals, so hopefully one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 New patch is now out: NEW VEHICLE Release of T-80B tank for Soviet forces Notable characteristics: 125mm smoothbore cannon with access to the newest Soviet ammunition Modern 1A33 fire control system with laser rangefinder, automatic lead and superelevation, delta-D, cant correction, and more 1G42 gunner's sight with automatic and manual modes for range adjustment Passive night vision sight with manually adjustable range scale Composite upper hull armor (steel and glass textolite) reinforced with high-hardness surface plate Composite turret armor (steel and "kvartz" ceramic) Turbine engine NOTE: Gun-launched ATGM "Kobra" is not implemented yet NEW CONTENT Two new Instant Action missions featuring T-80B: Pushing Tin parts 1 and 2 T-80B training range mission T-80B added to campaign 125mm HEAT-FS-T 3BK18M added to Soviet tanks (but not East German ones) 125mm ammunition 3BK18M and 3BK14M added to campaign logistics system for Soviet forces Mi-2 scout helicopter added New unlockable Soviet themed main menu scene (reward for completing Pushing Tin part 1) Soviet themed main menu scene features new remade version of music track "Target Acquired" Owners of the GHPC OST on Steam have also received the new track as a free update! FEATURES AND ADJUSTMENTS Artillery batteries can now be used in parallel with separate controls in the map view Helicopter tail rotor driveshafts and gearboxes can now be destroyed Early TPN-1 type active night sights no longer have illuminated reticles TPN-1 reticle updated to match sources Added area triggers to ramps in training range missions Mildly increased drag coefficients on 3BM22 and 3BM32 M901 can now have its missile tubes damaged individually FIXES Fixed a bug that would lock all functions on the Bradley if a restock attempt was made while there was still too much ammo remaining to restock Fixed an issue that could lead to repeated or cut-off voice lines Fixed a bug that allowed taking control of unintended vehicles using instant swap Improved stability of projectile impacts Improved stability of several code systems Fixed improperly configured armor on T-62 Fixed visual issues with night sight covers on T-62 and T-64A Fixed mislabeling of optical rangefinders as laser rangefinders in damage HUD Corrected labeling of some turret and gun drives in damage HUD Corrected some briefing errors Removed smoke grenade setup elements from T-62 Helped M113 commander keep his head during free cam mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 From my trial, its very good. But I think the optical zoom on the main gunsight is not particulary convincing. Perhaps the real one was like that, but I found it utterly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: From my trial, its very good. But I think the optical zoom on the main gunsight is not particulary convincing. Perhaps the real one was like that, but I found it utterly useless. FCS is very good. I dont mind the zoom except it is too slow to change. Armor wise, it explodes like every other SU tank (Bradleys I-TOWs are my nemesis. You see them coming and then you just think ”Oh F*ck” and blow up.😁 Also main gun dont depres far enough to my liking. Hard to find good hull down position. Edited March 15 by MiGG0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Yeah, I am rather shocked at how much deadspace there was, either side of the gun. Im surprised they didnt fit an external mantlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, MiGG0 said: ... Also main gun dont depres far enough to my liking. Hard to find good hull down position. Common problem with Soviet tanks (lack of space in turret for good depression (pun intended) 😎 Second problem was insufficient speed in reverse. Not sure if T-80 series were better. Not got game yet, but sorely wanting...next payday this month maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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