The cake police is at it again

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 hours ago, rmgill said:

Do communists give away their own stuff? I though the mantra was forcing others to give to the needy? 

The problem is defining whom is needy, and whom is just a freeloader. And of course, whom is just a greedy bastard consuming their worth several times over.

My Grandfather noticed it  in 1944 in Italy. Every village they went through, the Italians were rake thin. The only one who was well fed was the village priest. Which im sure was a complete and  total absolute coincidence.

Its all depressingly animal farm really...

 

 

[Rick]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The problem is defining whom is needy, and whom is just a freeloader. And of course, whom is just a greedy bastard consuming their worth several times over.

My Grandfather noticed it  in 1944 in Italy. Every village they went through, the Italians were rake thin. The only one who was well fed was the village priest. Which im sure was a complete and  total absolute coincidence.

Its all depressingly animal farm really...

 

 

That is not a problem. In reality it is three easy steps. 

1. Are you a Communist/Socialist/ Democrat? Then your a greedy, fatherless child.

2. Are you able to do a job, but voluntarily refuse to do so? Then your a greedy, fatherless child.

3. Do you refuse to learn from a mistake you make and blame others for it? Then your a greedy, fatherless child.

[sunday]

Wonder if there were fat Indian Civil Servants during the Bengal famines that were happening at the same time in India.

[rmgill]

12 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The problem is defining whom is needy, and whom is just a freeloader. And of course, whom is just a greedy bastard consuming their worth several times over.

WRONG.

The power is in who gets to define whom is needy and who gets to define what is taken and from whom. That's not a problem, that's a power. 

The real greedy bastard will ALWAYS be the one who gets to make those rules. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

9 hours ago, rmgill said:

WRONG.

The power is in who gets to define whom is needy and who gets to define what is taken and from whom. That's not a problem, that's a power. 

The real greedy bastard will ALWAYS be the one who gets to make those rules. 

And any such power is transitory in a healthy elected Government. You know this. Unlike my country is impossible for a political cabal to run your country for 15, 20 years. In my country is the rule rather than the exception.

As for your last, yes, I dont remotely disagree. Which in my experience, at least in Britain, is usually the rich and entitled.

Maybe you are living in the wrong country? Shall we swap passports?

 

[Rick]

13 hours ago, rmgill said:

WRONG.

The power is in who gets to define whom is needy and who gets to define what is taken and from whom. That's not a problem, that's a power. 

The real greedy bastard will ALWAYS be the one who gets to make those rules. 

+1

[DB]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And any such power is transitory in a healthy elected Government. You know this. Unlike my country is impossible for a political cabal to run your country for 15, 20 years. In my country is the rule rather than the exception.

As for your last, yes, I dont remotely disagree. Which in my experience, at least in Britain, is usually the rich and entitled.

Maybe you are living in the wrong country? Shall we swap passports?

 

The only long-term cabal in the UK is the snivelling service.

You know why Raab lost his job? He has a temper, and lost his shit when the passive-aggressive resistance to his attempts to put his ministry in order got too obtrusive. And they destroyed him for it.

[rmgill]

17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And any such power is transitory in a healthy elected Government. You know this.

If you've transmuted things to where someone gets to decide unilaterally who gets to have your stuff because of the greater good, you no longer have a healthy government. 

For someone who's SO stuck on the "greater good" joke, you seem awfully blind to its actual implications. 

17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Unlike my country is impossible for a political cabal to run your country for 15, 20 years. In my country is the rule rather than the exception.

 

17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

As for your last, yes, I dont remotely disagree. Which in my experience, at least in Britain, is usually the rich and entitled.

How do you think the soviet Nomenklatura became rich and entitled? They controlled the power to do things for "the greater good". 

The problem is not doing things for 'good'. It's the power that derives from it and the idea that you can trust anyone with great powers like this. 

[sunday]

Someone forgot those documentaries in British politics that are Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister. The power of unelected civil servants is a force to reckon in most democracies.

[Stuart Galbraith]

7 hours ago, rmgill said:

If you've transmuted things to where someone gets to decide unilaterally who gets to have your stuff because of the greater good, you no longer have a healthy government. 

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Well gee Ryan, thats what Taxation is about isnt it? Unless you just want to hand the state to the rich and let them run it as they please, and they will probably whine about how much it costs them.

For someone who's SO stuck on the "greater good" joke, you seem awfully blind to its actual implications. 

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You seem awfully blind to what im saying, considering ive been saying it for 20 years. Its not about punishing the rich, its about ensuring society has some kind of healthy balance. Try as I might, I dont see the country having 115 billionaires whilst middle class people are cadging through food bins are a healthys society. You disagree, thats fine, come and live here. Dont let your hysteria over the NHS lead you astray.

 

How do you think the soviet Nomenklatura became rich and entitled? They controlled the power to do things for "the greater good". 

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Right, and there is me who hasnt read a single book on the cold war or the former USSR. Thanks for pointing that out for me Ryan...

 

The problem is not doing things for 'good'. It's the power that derives from it and the idea that you can trust anyone with great powers like this. 

Yes, I entirely agree. Ive zero problems with that statement at all. You see? And there you were painting me as some kind of Trotskyist.

You forget, I was raised in a left wing household, and have been slowly moving to the middle ground over the past 40 years. As far as I can see, Communism and Socialism, and free market capitalism/Reaganism are just two failed social experiments that have damaged humanity. Im clinging to the middle ground, and letting you durn kids play at the fringes over the rubble. I want no part of it, I saw all that crazy shit in the 1980's.

What do you do about it? For me is about vigorous moderation, and 'fairness'. And if 'fairness' strikes you as a whole arbitrary term, then you are right, but it strikes me as a hell of a lot better approach than just sitting on your hands and letting the free market decide whats right. We saw in 1926 and 2008 how spectacularly badly that kind of thinking backfires.

Now, sit back and eat your cake, and reflect on the poor downtrodden masses that made it for you, you freeloading Borgeouis bugger.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[Ssnake]