Because France

[sunday]

25 minutes ago, X-Files said:

BONUS

Local Media Reports Vigilante Group Zip-Tying France Rioters (breitbart.com)

Lorient, known for her WWII submarine base, and bunker.

Some French naval units based around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorient#Military

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Using zip-ties to restrain alleged rioters, the men are said to have then handed their captures onto the regular police on Friday night as well as having been seen putting out fires. Described as strongly physically built, fast-moving, and proceeding in a tightly-packed group, a report in Ouest France says one member of the group told a journalist that he couldn’t reveal their identities but that “we are on the good side” and that the group was a spontaneous meeting of friends to protect the city-centre.

 

[sunday]

3 minutes ago, X-Files said:

That OCD of yours must really be kicking in.

Giving free mental health advice now?

Did not know you were a licensed psychiatrist.

[X-Files]

1 minute ago, sunday said:

Giving free mental health advice now?

Did not know you were a licensed psychiatrist.

In your case,

 

Macron's call to 'cut off' social media during riots sparks backlash in France (france24.com)

[sunday]

Just now, X-Files said:

In your case,

 

Macron's call to 'cut off' social media during riots sparks backlash in France (france24.com)

That is what a licensed psychiatrist would write.

Remarkable.

[X-Files]

1 minute ago, sunday said:

That is what a licensed psychiatrist would write.

Remarkable.

Well, neener neener back atchya. Do try to stay on the topic.

[sunday]

1 minute ago, X-Files said:

Well, neener neener back atchya. Do try to stay on the topic.

Which one, French riots or you professional qualifications on mental health matters?

Edited July 6, 2023 by sunday

[bojan]

I see riots spilling here, and neither of you is French

Edited July 6, 2023 by bojan

[sunday]

Just now, bojan said:

I see riots spilling here, and neither of you are French

I am not so sure about that. My family comes from a part of Aragon that was populated with French colonists after Reconquista. That could explain my very un-Spanish reaction to sunlight, also.

[bojan]

Well, that is less French than I am German/Jewish or even Italian 

[sunday]

6 minutes ago, bojan said:

Well, that is less French than I am German/Jewish or even Italian 

That could explain the Corto Maltese avatar 😋

[BansheeOne]

Since the French riots seem pretty much over by now, we cannot allow a riot gap! 😁

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, X-Files said:

Paris fashion week: Celebrities and designers under fire for attending amid France riots | The Independent

This screams for a Zoolander 3 movie.

[bojan]

2 hours ago, sunday said:

That could explain the Corto Maltese avatar 😋

Corto is childhood idol, not related to anything in particular.

Italian connection is quite old, and is farthest my aunt could fully trace direct family tree, to ~1730. German/Jewish connection is newer, about early 20th century.

[sunday]

1 minute ago, bojan said:

Italian connection is quite old, and is farthest my aunt could fully trace direct family tree, to ~1730. 

Perhaps related to the Venetian possessions in the Dalmatian coast and more to the South?

[bojan]

My ancestor, who was a trader* from Montenegro married daughter of his Italian trading partner. Supposedly from Venice,but that could be just regular "Republic of Venice" generalization. Only things that are known is that her name was Lucia and that she died quite old, few years short of 100y/o, in first few years of 19th century.

*He brought coffee to a northern part of Montenegro at about same time and founded first "kafana" in the area at about same time.

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by bojan

[sunday]

Cool!

[Ivanhoe]

7 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Since the French riots seem pretty much over by now, we cannot allow a riot gap! 😁

When the Wagnerian opera started, I ran out and bought a lifetime supply of microwave popcorn for what turned out to be a fizzle if not fiction. If the French riots peter out, I'm gonna need a bunch of you Yurrows to drive to the nearest arrondissement and set something on fire, lest my investment go to waste.

[Murph]

Is France even around any more?  Or is just one big dystopian mess?  I really feel sorry for the good people in France.  

[X-Files]

7 hours ago, Ssnake said:

This screams for a Zoolander 3 movie.

Write the treatment, roll the dice and take that shot at fame.

[Ssnake]

45 minutes ago, Murph said:

Is France even around any more?  Or is just one big dystopian mess?

It's doing just fine (for a suitable definition of "doing fine"). Nothing gets solved, everybody prefers to kick the can further down the road. Most reporting about the banlieus are anhistoric in the sense that riots in the banlieus go back more than a century, just as the French policing policy of being very hands-off until a certain threshold is crossed, at which point the response is sudden and often disproportional. To change that, you'd need to change the ways the Banlieus are organized, the society works, and you'd need to retrain the police force, and all that at the same time and without pissing off whatever your voter base is. Some seem to be under the illusion that Le Pen and generally more suppression is the answer. The voters were disillusioned enough of the traditional parties that they voted for Macron and his populist one-man show. Since he can't fix things either, I suppose at some point Le Pen will get her chance to fail at the task. Since the problem is complex, the overwhelming likelihood is that without a fundamental and lasting shift in the entire population, nobody can "solve" the matter. Policies aimed at addressing one of the issues have been tried for a century, and all failed.

[rmgill]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:52 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Short of gunning them down at sea, do you have any other solutions?

Greeks tried ignoring them, and 700 women and children drowned in a boat. Its not a problem that is going to go away, just because you dont want them.

How about you don’t invite them in and give them public assistance benefits as a start? 

[rmgill]

10 hours ago, Ssnake said:

This screams for a Zoolander 3 movie.

Gin something up with Chat GPT. With the writer’s strike you’re sure to get interest. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 hours ago, rmgill said:

How about you don’t invite them in and give them public assistance benefits as a start? 

Right back at you sweets. What would YOU do about it?

 

This is the boring way debate goes on tanknet. Rather than discussing REALISTIC options for dealing with a problem, failure is addressed to the political left, or just the guy you identify with them. If it was a right wing Guvmint, it would all work! Well in the UK, the political right, very hard right, have been doing the most draconian measures for 13 years now. And you know what? They havent even made a dent in it, and thats on an Island surrounded by sodding water. Largely I suspect because I dont believe the solution is in the hands of nation states. The only way we can possibly deal with the problem is collective action, and good luck with that. Italy has been asking for it for nearly 10 years now.

Here is how I deal with it. The US, the UK, all the developed world, get together, and say 'Ill take 0.5 percent of the population a year'. And you split the take, from Mexico, from Africa, from South America, the middle east, between all those countries. Ok, so compromises will have to be made, you dont split up families. And you may see the value in trading one ethnic group over another. Even split the people who have some qualifications, so nobody gets unfair advantages. But the basic premise, we ALL commit to dealing with the take and work together ,developing infrastructure to deal with it, would be there.

Either that, or collectively put 1 percent of our national gdp on Africa and Mexico, and make those places so lovely to live, nobody could possibly think North America or Europe are better options. Either or. Heck, maybe even both solutions. I dont believe on going halves on things

Is anyone going to do it? Dont be absolutely ridiculous. We can bicker about his for the next 20 years, and nobody will find another solution, and nothing will change. Its rocket fuel thats too good to waste in national politics to actually do anything about and fix.

Edited July 7, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[urbanoid]

I think you have a very mild definition of 'draconian'.

[sunday]

14 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

I think you have a very mild definition of 'draconian'.

"small lizardian"?