seahawk Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I think Scholz was ordered to Washington as German security services were getting close to exposing the truth about the attack. He will have been told very clearly that there would be more accidents in Germany, if the US participation in the attack on the German energy supply would be made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 One more opinion on NS story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strannik Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 US Intelligence in cahoots with NYT are working for Kremlin - according to Z-clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 So he does not like independent media.. quelle surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strannik Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, seahawk said: So he does not like independent media.. quelle surprise. He likes it when it parrots his narrative, which, granted, it does for the most time, so you are unfair 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Strannik said: He likes it when it parrots his narrative, which, granted, it does for the most time, so you are unfair 😅 Maybe Ukrainians are Russians after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Mentally? 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 From Russian TG "The Germans are trying to assure us that on this yacht called "Andromeda" six "pro-Ukrainian activists" transported dozens, if not hundreds, kilograms of explosives, which were used to undermine the "Northern Streams". We need to remember this version. Then we will show a similar yacht, with the help of which "pro-Argentine activists" will cut the transatlantic cable between the United States and Britain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strannik Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, Josh said: Maybe Ukrainians are Russians after all? And they all are Americans 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Strannik said: And they all are Americans 😁 We are all Africans after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strannik Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: We are all Africans after all. Except some are unter and live in a jungle, while others are uber and reside on the garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 On 3/8/2023 at 8:21 PM, Roman Alymov said: Joking aside, I am baffled how, after he publicly promised to destroy Nord Stream, and then it WAS destroyed, everybody jumped to explain away his statement "Well yes he said that but he didn't MEAN that". ?? As I see it, US has the means, the motivation, and they promised to do it. So...why is the official story in the West that they absolutely are not a suspect, nope, never? Personally, they're not on my top suspect list here, I am just amazed how quickly the pundits rushed to downplay Biden's statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 It's probably because that's not what he said. Meanwhile, some minor evolutions. The wondering why anyone sailing from Rostock to Bornholm would laboriously detour for a stop at the little port of Wieck/Darß seems addressed: it was a mix-up with Wiek (sans c) on Rügen Island. One of the forged passports allegedly used to rent the boat (indeed a Bavaria 50 sailing yacht named Andromeda) is reported to have been Bulgarian. The Bundestag's intelligence oversight committee was briefed on the investigations this week. I expect a somewhat more comprehensive official statement or possibly a press conference by relevant authorities within the next two weeks or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, BansheeOne said: I Meanwhile, some minor evolutions. The wondering why anyone sailing from Rostock to Bornholm would laboriously detour for a stop at the little port of Wieck/Darß seems addressed: it was a mix-up with Wiek (sans c) on Rügen Island. One of the forged passports allegedly used to rent the boat (indeed a Bavaria 50 sailing yacht named Andromeda) is reported to have been Bulgarian. Dunno. Once they determine who their Western handlers were, then they can ask them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Nord Stream mystery: the tanker Minerva Julie spent 7 days idling near the attack site (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 22 hours ago, BansheeOne said: It's probably because that's not what he said. It's exactly what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 He said "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the ... border of Ukraine again, then there will be ... no longer a Nord Stream 2. We, we will bring an end to it." And Russia invaded, and Germany revoked certification for Nord Stream 2, which brought an end to it. Just as Olaf Scholz said on the same occasion, standing next to Biden: "We will be united. We will act together. And we will take all the necessary steps." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 17 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Shared as much as I can. People need to wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Revoking certification is not an end, just a suspension. Biden was specifically questioned, how he can end the project, given it is in German control, and he said he will be - followed by uncomfortable silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 The more theories there is, the more general weirdness, to me highlights fairly strongly that what is going on is a Russian disinformation operation. And we saw this with the Murder of Alexander Litvinenko, the invasion of Georgia, the attack on Crimea, the shootdown of MH17, the demolition of the Czech ammunition depot, the attempted murder of the Skripals, and at every single point in this fucked up excuse for a war. It looks like they are busy trying an offensive of misinformation, to try and break the ties between the US and Europe, by making both sides think the other did it. I can admit some of the means they have used to do it show some advance on previous years, by coopting Seymour Hersh, or even coopting the American intelligence service by dropping the information on them first. But its not changing the basic pattern, throw shit in their eyes by throwing a million different theories, and see if any had a chance to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, Yama said: Revoking certification is not an end, just a suspension. Biden was specifically questioned, how he can end the project, given it is in German control, and he said he will be - followed by uncomfortable silence. This is the Joe Biden who can barely remember whats happening next week, who prepared months in advance an attack and was determined to carry it out? It all sounds very convincing. Until you remember is Joe Biden, and he has to carry prompt cards to remember what he is talking about. Come on Yama, you are smarter than this by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 See? This is what I said, everybody jumping to defend him "Yes well but he didn't MEAN it". If there was an OBL video showing him threatening to bring down the Twin Towers, would you say "Well it doesn't prove anything, he was talking in metaphorical sense..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, Yama said: Revoking certification is not an end, just a suspension. Biden was specifically questioned, how he can end the project, given it is in German control, and he said he will be - followed by uncomfortable silence. And saying "end" is not saying "destroy". You can of course believe that the US risked ending, or even destroying, the alliance with its main strategic hub in Europe, because the war in Ukraine was "going badly", and they feared Germany would cease support and go back to Russia for need of gas. At a time Ukraine had just pushed Russia back to its own border in the northeast, gas prices were dropping steeply from the August high, Germany was exceeding its aims in building up gas reserves, and was delivering Gepards and PzH 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, BansheeOne said: And saying "end" is not saying "destroy". You can of course believe that the US risked ending, or even destroying, the alliance with its main strategic hub in Europe, because the war in Ukraine was "going badly", and they feared Germany would cease support and go back to Russia for need of gas. At a time Ukraine had just pushed Russia back to its own border in the northeast, gas prices were dropping steeply from the August high, Germany was exceeding its aims in building up gas reserves, and was delivering Gepards and PzH 2000. But it was not yet locked in as a buyer of US gas and oil for the long term. Now it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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