I'm starting another untimely early thread on Ukraine to go with the "Lessons Learned" one, somewhat inspired by the untimely demands of peace protesters (honest or otherwise) for negotiations rather than arms deliveries; just so we're prepared when the prospect may become realistic next year or so. The ideas of said protesters seem to be rather cloudy at any rate, based at best on hopeful idealism rather than the interests at play. Basic thoughts: - Obviously only Ukraine and Russia can ne