A Peace Settlement to the Ukraine War

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1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Contempt for Russia, not fear of Russia, is what got the EU into trouble in Ukraine in the first place.  

There was a time, 15 years ago-ish, when the EU and Russia looked be set on working with each other real nice.

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

They are not the same organization on paper.  All I'm saying is that if Russia gets into a war with any EU member, it should not be surprised to soon find itself at war with NATO.  

Yeah, maybe so, but in terms of accession to the single market, and other EU benefits, countries that have joined NATO do not necessarily have any advantages.

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

The EU has too much prestige at stake in Ukraine to play completely by its own rules.

I don't disagree. But I think the EU is already on very shaky ground and can't afford too many new shocks.

[Stefan Kotsch]

26 minutes ago, ink said:

There was a time, 15 years ago-ish, when the EU and Russia looked be set on working with each other real nice.

Yes and no. If you only research halfway, it becomes clear that Russia was increasingly urging to soften the rules. Russia demanded special regulations and exceptions to almost every corner. Russia was obviously not ready to submit to the regulations of the many organizations, whose membership had applied to and had also received Russia. This became more and more a burden on relationships.

 

 

[seahawk]

Obviously and can be expected that Russia would not bow to the EU, but would demand a common ground to be found. The war in the Ukraine was created by lies of the EU and by provoking the Russian bear. Now the EU can only survive if the Ukraine joins, but if the Ukraine joins the EU will not survive, as the corruption in the Ukraine is simply too big, the economy too bad and the level of criminal activity too high. After Russian victory in the Ukraine, the EU will break apart.

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15 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Yes and no. If you only research halfway, it becomes clear that Russia was increasingly urging to soften the rules. Russia demanded special regulations and exceptions to almost every corner. Russia was obviously not ready to submit to the regulations of the many organizations, whose membership had applied to and had also received Russia. This became more and more a burden on relationships.

Don't come at me with "if you only research half way", when five minutes ago you didn't know the first thing about EU accession.

And, yes, Russia is a tricky partner - they're big and rich and arrogant. But if the EU can't cope with working with the Russians, they're going to have a heck of a time with the Chinese... Or Americans 😎

[Stefan Kotsch]

16 minutes ago, ink said:

when five minutes ago you didn't know the first thing about EU accession.

What? No. Now you have misinterpreted that completely.

[Stefan Kotsch]

28 minutes ago, ink said:

But if the EU can't cope with working with the Russians, they're going to have a heck of a time with the Chinese... Or Americans 

It's not about general international cooperation. I had addressed the problems during the membership (!) of Russia in various EU organizations. That is a big difference.

16 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Russia demanded special regulations and exceptions to almost every corner.

You can prepare for differences in cooperation. Ok. But a member (!) who constantly moan and always 'pukes around' is a different story. Then Russia would have better avoided memberships.

Edited February 12 by Stefan Kotsch

[glenn239]

8 hours ago, seahawk said:

Obviously and can be expected that Russia would not bow to the EU, but would demand a common ground to be found. The war in the Ukraine was created by lies of the EU and by provoking the Russian bear. Now the EU can only survive if the Ukraine joins, but if the Ukraine joins the EU will not survive, as the corruption in the Ukraine is simply too big, the economy too bad and the level of criminal activity too high. After Russian victory in the Ukraine, the EU will break apart.

The EU is like the old Austrian Empire, a ramshackle that is less brittle than it looks.  The situation is desperate, but not serious.  

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

Trump said a lot of things yesterday, many of which I missed.

He presented Russia the carrot. 

Now we wait and see what the stick is.

[Roman Alymov]

1 minute ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Trump said a lot of things yesterday, many of which I missed.

He presented Russia the carrot. 

Now we wait and see what the stick is.

He and his team is constantly presenting all sorts of sticks and carrots, for example

Exclusive | Vance Wields Threat of Sanctions, Military Action to Push Putin Into Ukraine Deal - WSJ

[seahawk]

On 2/12/2025 at 3:14 PM, glenn239 said:

The EU is like the old Austrian Empire, a ramshackle that is less brittle than it looks.  The situation is desperate, but not serious.  

 

If you look at the votes for anti-EU parties in Europe, it is obvious the EU is on borrowed time.

[bojan]

Thing is, when those "anti-EU" parties come to power they suddenly realize that there is more to be gained while part of the EU than not. Well, Brits excepted.

[Yama]

Yeah, it's the pro-EU parties which are far more likely to wreck the EU, than anti-EU ones.

[LeeWalls]

This question is for Roman:

How can the "Russians" be so physically attractive, artistically gifted (there are surely many other blanks I could fill) like the very "bestest" type of whites, yet act, in the political realm, like a bunch of Sub-Saharans?

 

How can you look and play and compose and write and often perform like the Nordic Ubermench, whilst acting (on a political intellectual level at least) like a bunch of buck-blacks straight out of Zaire?  

And seriously you have been doing this for at least 200 years.    Do you guys want to be white or not??

PICK A SIDE!

[LeeWalls]

To follow up on that comment: I don't equate "white" with what you would consider "west" Roman.

 

It's about principals, and culture.   The "west" has lost the plot on that and so is in no position to lecture anyone.   But the question still stands. 

[Tim the Tank Nut]

you know, we have a "Because Russia" thread in the FFZ...

[Stuart Galbraith]

27 minutes ago, Yama said:

Yeah, it's the pro-EU parties which are far more likely to wreck the EU, than anti-EU ones.

There is some truth inthat actually. The Eurosceptics I can understand. The enthusiasts are absolutely lethal.

[LeeWalls]

Seriously guys I have a real quandrary in my mind about this.

 

Russian pianists, composers, writers, artists, poets, etc. etc. but above all...WOMEN.. amazing!   Not "the"pinacle," but certainly "pinacles" of culture.   

 

Why and where does the feeling of inferiority come from?   Like U.S. black almost ?    Like they are some kind of special oppresed caste of whites kind of like blacks -- yet hey are among the cutest and most brilliant and talented of us all.   So where does this fatalistic, Muslim/black like atttude come from Roman?

You guys are GOOD-LOOKING (often), talented, smart, historically and poetically and musically gifted gang of whites, yet you go around acting like Shaka Zulu if he had discovered gunpowder before you did.

 

Why?

 

 

 

 

 

[Stargrunt6]

3 hours ago, LeeWalls said:

Seriously guys I have a real quandrary in my mind about this.

 

Russian pianists, composers, writers, artists, poets, etc. etc. but above all...WOMEN.. amazing!   Not "the"pinacle," but certainly "pinacles" of culture.   

 

Why and where does the feeling of inferiority come from?   Like U.S. black almost ?    Like they are some kind of special oppresed caste of whites kind of like blacks -- yet hey are among the cutest and most brilliant and talented of us all.   So where does this fatalistic, Muslim/black like atttude come from Roman?

You guys are GOOD-LOOKING (often), talented, smart, historically and poetically and musically gifted gang of whites, yet you go around acting like Shaka Zulu if he had discovered gunpowder before you did.

 

Why?

 

 

 

 

 

Mr. Seagal, your ride is here

[Mike1158]

Looks like Steven missed the bus, not enough cash for the fair?

I reckon there is a sting in this tale for the Putinista if you will pardon the pun.  He could always ensure a peace by either surrendering or just moving back with all his tin soldiers to the motherland.

[Stefan Kotsch]

However, this photo is two years old. 🤗

[Sinistar]

10 hours ago, seahawk said:

If you look at the votes for anti-EU parties in Europe, it is obvious the EU is on borrowed time.

 

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Thing is, when those "anti-EU" parties come to power they suddenly realize that there is more to be gained while part of the EU than not. Well, Brits excepted.

 

conflict appears to be a feature and not a bug

though understandably it is perceived as the latter

 

nothing lasts forever in the way it was conceived

you see the same story told many times before- the web of convoluted alliances in the effort to get around one kind of problem 

and the more that illusion is maintained by pretense you simply have another problem which is not being addressed

and so new illusions are required to somehow make the thing look like it works

resentment builds underneath the whole thing and intra-species conflict is sort of there but repressed as best as can be managed until it no longer holds at some point

 

you are seeing differences coming out in the open- within the eu and nato and with the united states

 

which way would someone rather have it- the problems sort of repressed and kept quiet about

which is another kind of dysfunction

or bring it out in the open and everyone knows where everyone else stands at least

then those who wish to do so might wish to either de-risk or walk away when the arrangement no longer serves its purpose

 

if that is a problem then someone can decide what to do about it then

 

it is what it is always doing

 

there is no end of it culminating in a universal western-liberal human mind like francis fukiyama argued for and every clintonian politician and enlightened liberal humanist in the west thought was true and which was the subject of western liberal education for the last several decades while at the same time the conflicts and divisions and discord were being sewed by those very same people who were somehow trying to hold two conflicting views- saying one thing and doing another

 

 

 

 

[seahawk]

Western liberalism has to die. It is a perverted, sick ideology.

[LeeWalls]

9 hours ago, seahawk said:

Western liberalism has to die. It is a perverted, sick ideology.

I know you are for the most a part a "troll account," but you are certainly a lot like the stopped clock in that a couple of times a day some wisdom drops.     You are certainly correct in this statement. 

[RETAC21]

On 2/14/2025 at 3:48 PM, LeeWalls said:

Seriously guys I have a real quandrary in my mind about this.

Russian pianists, composers, writers, artists, poets, etc. etc. but above all...WOMEN.. amazing!   Not "the"pinacle," but certainly "pinacles" of culture.   

Why and where does the feeling of inferiority come from?   Like U.S. black almost ?    Like they are some kind of special oppresed caste of whites kind of like blacks -- yet hey are among the cutest and most brilliant and talented of us all.   So where does this fatalistic, Muslim/black like atttude come from Roman?

You guys are GOOD-LOOKING (often), talented, smart, historically and poetically and musically gifted gang of whites, yet you go around acting like Shaka Zulu if he had discovered gunpowder before you did.

Why?

Watch carefully and you will understand:

 

[Mike1158]

Very simple, There IS a precedent for this.  Russians go home, and STAY there.

 

You want to get splashed on pepper vodka and brag about owning the whole world, fine but do it at home.  Russia/Putin signed decelrations of Ukranian soveregnty and independance a long time ago, they are NOT numbers they are FREE people.

 

What Trumpster and putin think they are on deciding the status of the Ukrainian people I do not understand.

Edited February 15 by Mike1158