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[rmgill]

9 hours ago, Josh said:

Trump couldn't do that with just executive orders, but I'm sure it played well at the NRA meet up.

Here's the thing. Is your driver's license recognized in other states? Imagine being arrested in New York for not having a drivers license if you drove through the state. WHY is your out of state license recognized by other states? Why should your firearms license not be? 

He could threaten to withhold state law enforcement assistance/Funding for states that fail to recognize out of state licenses.

Another aspect would be filing lawsuits against police departments who arrest people with out of state licenses under a Section 1983 civil rights lawsuit. That'd work like the every poilice department is racist consent decree's pushed on major cities and educational systems by Obama. Getting the DOJ to do this effectively without fucking it up would be another thing. He'd have to fire folks for failing to comply. 

But, as IVanhoe notes, Obama and Biden did far more with regards to executive orders and without nearly as much of a backing as something as simple as a the Privileges and Immunities Clause. See also DACA. Or under the same auspices that mandated state to state recognition of gay marriage. Can you point to the constitution's text mentioning the right to marry? 

But, I'm sure your point works well with the David Hogg's of the world. 

Edited April 15 by rmgill

[DKTanker]

23 hours ago, Josh said:

This is a thing you actually believe?

You live amongst, ally yourself, and generally support some very twisted individuals.  Yes, not only do I believe there are such twisted individuals, there is ample proof of it if you're brave enough, or are interested enough, to look.

[DKTanker]

17 hours ago, Josh said:

Fair enough, I've no doubt that there is a fringe group that feels that way online, 

It is not a fringe group, it is the heart and soul of your mainstream Democratic Marxist Party.

[Josh]

5 hours ago, DKTanker said:

It is not a fringe group, it is the heart and soul of your mainstream Democratic Marxist Party.

I admit I didn’t know how much crazy was on the left side of the abortion issue. I need to do more research.

but I think calling it mainstream would be the equivalent of calling mtg mainstream.

[Josh]

23 hours ago, DKTanker said:

You live amongst, ally yourself, and generally support some very twisted individuals.  Yes, not only do I believe there are such twisted individuals, there is ample proof of it if you're brave enough, or are interested enough, to look.

Right back at you. You’ll still vote for Trump again if that’s the choice your given, and that is some very QAnon, election overturning company you will keep.

[DB]

How many times does he have to tell you that he didn't vote for Trump?

[Skywalkre]

Funny... when I don't vote for Rs that makes me a closet D supporter/sympathizer.  What does it make DKTanker if he doesn't vote for 'em?  🤣

[DB]

On the face of it, very disappointed at politicians in general?

[Josh]

On 4/17/2023 at 2:26 AM, DB said:

How many times does he have to tell you that he didn't vote for Trump?

My understanding is that he dislikes trump but still voted for him rather than abstain. If he didn’t vote for him, my mistake.

[Josh]

Desantis had a rough week. Several representatives from FL endorsed Trump, and one from Texas endorsed Trump specifically after having met Desantis. As of now 7 of 20 of the FL GOP congressional members have endorsed Trump, with just one endorsing Desantis.

[BansheeOne]

I'm just not impressed with DeSantis' political skills so far. Whatever you think of Trump, he has a gut-level instinct for successful populism. DeSantis looks like he's trying too hard - don't talk about sex in school, banning abortion after six weeks, dabbling in criticism of Ukraine aid, and picking a cartoon fight with Mickey Mouse. I still think he could be the POTUS who brings peace to TankNet, but suspect most Republicans who'd go for this stick would rather vote for the original in the primaries, and most of the rest will turn in horror.

[Stuart Galbraith]

DeSantis is the tribute act, there is still only one King.

 

[Mike1158]

Is Trump still eligible?  Despite the court case and the Federali's doing nasal colonoscopy's?

[DKTanker]

2 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

I'm just not impressed with DeSantis' political skills so far. Whatever you think of Trump, he has a gut-level instinct for successful populism. DeSantis looks like he's trying too hard - don't talk about sex in school, banning abortion after six weeks, dabbling in criticism of Ukraine aid, and picking a cartoon fight with Mickey Mouse. I still think he could be the POTUS who brings peace to TankNet, but suspect most Republicans who'd go for this stick would rather vote for the original in the primaries, and most of the rest will turn in horror.

You've definitely received the leftists, and Trumpist, talking points.

• Don't talk about sex in school.  Not a thing.  He did just sign a law that prohibits in public schools, the talk and endorsement of mutilating children that are emotionally confused.
• Banning abortion after onset of cardiac activity.  When you or anybody else has a better objective point that the arbitrary snuffing of human life should cease, let us know.  Let's debate it.
• The longer the pointless bloodletting goes on in Ukraine the more it looks as if DeSantis is correct.
• Transactivist corporation Disney first picked a fight with the State of Florida and ultimately lost.  Do keep up with current events.

If by original you mean Trump, Trump actually stands consistently with very little.  He is the epitome of populist in as much as his stance changes with the popular wind.   Currently Trump, and his new allies on the left, stand in opposition to DeSantis in many ways.  Trump sided with Disney about the need for the government to discuss sexual activities with young pre-pubescent children.  Trump stands with the idea that men pretending to be women should be allowed unfettered access to intimate areas heretofore reserved to women.  Trump says about Ukraine anything about it that people want to hear at the current moment in time.

I don't know why you believe DeSantis politics are schtick.  He is well grounded in his beliefs and if some issues seem to be populist, they are in the respect that many people want to return to a saner world that refuses to accept the propositions that A is B and 2+2=5.

 

 

[DKTanker]

2 hours ago, Mike1158 said:

Is Trump still eligible?  Despite the court case and the Federali's doing nasal colonoscopy's?

Is eligible and will remain eligible.  In my opinion this is all a cynical ploy to both damage Trump with independents and bolster his standing with the Trump legion, thus propelling him to the GOP presidential nomination and ultimate loss in the 2024 presidential election.

[rmgill]

On 4/16/2023 at 2:51 AM, Josh said:

but I think calling it mainstream would be the equivalent of calling mtg mainstream.

Lena Dunham was cited as one of the most influential by Time. 

The Governor of Virginia, whom was elected by the blue base in Norfolk, Richmond and Northern Virginia proposed legislation allowing abortion after a full term and after birth. NoVa's electorate is as main stream as you're going to get for the DNC. 
 
Oh and the left has literally tried for 2 years to define the right as entirely defined by Trump ( and thus MTG) as main stream. 

[BansheeOne]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

You've definitely received the leftists, and Trumpist, talking points.

• Don't talk about sex in school.  Not a thing.  He did just sign a law that prohibits in public schools, the talk and endorsement of mutilating children that are emotionally confused.
• Banning abortion after onset of cardiac activity.  When you or anybody else has a better objective point that the arbitrary snuffing of human life should cease, let us know.  Let's debate it.
• The longer the pointless bloodletting goes on in Ukraine the more it looks as if DeSantis is correct.
• Transactivist corporation Disney first picked a fight with the State of Florida and ultimately lost.  Do keep up with current events.

If by original you mean Trump, Trump actually stands consistently with very little.  He is the epitome of populist in as much as his stance changes with the popular wind.   Currently Trump, and his new allies on the left, stand in opposition to DeSantis in many ways.  Trump sided with Disney about the need for the government to discuss sexual activities with young pre-pubescent children.  Trump stands with the idea that men pretending to be women should be allowed unfettered access to intimate areas heretofore reserved to women.  Trump says about Ukraine anything about it that people want to hear at the current moment in time.

I don't know why you believe DeSantis politics are schtick.  He is well grounded in his beliefs and if some issues seem to be populist, they are in the respect that many people want to return to a saner world that refuses to accept the propositions that A is B and 2+2=5.

So you're arguing that he will win the primaries because a sufficient part of the GOP base shares your opinion? 😉

[Der Zeitgeist]

 

[DKTanker]

10 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

So you're arguing that he will win the primaries because a sufficient part of the GOP base shares your opinion? 😉

I reread my post two times since you wrote that reply and for the life of me I can't point to an opinion I shared other than in my opinion you were parroting leftist and Trumpist talking points.

I don't know what the GOP base thinks, I do know that yesterday Trump stated that if Ron DeSantis announces his candidacy he'll command his cult to never vote for DeSantis. 

[Josh]

14 hours ago, Mike1158 said:

Is Trump still eligible?  Despite the court case and the Federali's doing nasal colonoscopy's?

He’s a natural born US citizen and well over 35.

[Josh]

11 hours ago, DKTanker said:

You've definitely received the leftists, and Trumpist, talking points.

• Don't talk about sex in school.  Not a thing.  He did just sign a law that prohibits in public schools, the talk and endorsement of mutilating children that are emotionally confused.
• Banning abortion after onset of cardiac activity.  When you or anybody else has a better objective point that the arbitrary snuffing of human life should cease, let us know.  Let's debate it.
• The longer the pointless bloodletting goes on in Ukraine the more it looks as if DeSantis is correct.
• Transactivist corporation Disney first picked a fight with the State of Florida and ultimately lost.  Do keep up with current events.

If by original you mean Trump, Trump actually stands consistently with very little.  He is the epitome of populist in as much as his stance changes with the popular wind.   Currently Trump, and his new allies on the left, stand in opposition to DeSantis in many ways.  Trump sided with Disney about the need for the government to discuss sexual activities with young pre-pubescent children.  Trump stands with the idea that men pretending to be women should be allowed unfettered access to intimate areas heretofore reserved to women.  Trump says about Ukraine anything about it that people want to hear at the current moment in time.

I don't know why you believe DeSantis politics are schtick.  He is well grounded in his beliefs and if some issues seem to be populist, they are in the respect that many people want to return to a saner world that refuses to accept the propositions that A is B and 2+2=5.

 

 

I think Desantis is a far more competent and moral character than trump, but to say he’s “well grounded” seems like a huge stretch. He was a Reagan republican who suddenly went MAGA to the point of telling a major industry in his state how to run its business, just so “woke” can die. I don’t think the man has any moral convictions when it comes to his presidential bid; I think he’d fuck a guy in a Micky Mouse costume in a back alley if if it would take trump out of the race.

[Josh]

11 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Is eligible and will remain eligible.  In my opinion this is all a cynical ploy to both damage Trump with independents and bolster his standing with the Trump legion, thus propelling him to the GOP presidential nomination and ultimate loss in the 2024 presidential election.

I think it is more about that particular prosecutor “owning the MAGAs”, but I agree it is purely political and will have the effect you describe.

[DKTanker]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

I don’t think the man has any moral convictions when it comes to his presidential bid; I think he’d fuck a guy in a Micky Mouse costume in a back alley if if it would take trump out of the race.

Projection seems to be strong with you.

[BansheeOne]

7 hours ago, DKTanker said:

I reread my post two times since you wrote that reply and for the life of me I can't point to an opinion I shared other than in my opinion you were parroting leftist and Trumpist talking points.

So this is not your opinion?

19 hours ago, DKTanker said:

You've definitely received the leftists, and Trumpist, talking points.

• Don't talk about sex in school.  Not a thing.  He did just sign a law that prohibits in public schools, the talk and endorsement of mutilating children that are emotionally confused.
• Banning abortion after onset of cardiac activity.  When you or anybody else has a better objective point that the arbitrary snuffing of human life should cease, let us know.  Let's debate it.
• The longer the pointless bloodletting goes on in Ukraine the more it looks as if DeSantis is correct.
• Transactivist corporation Disney first picked a fight with the State of Florida and ultimately lost.  Do keep up with current events.

If by original you mean Trump, Trump actually stands consistently with very little.  He is the epitome of populist in as much as his stance changes with the popular wind.   Currently Trump, and his new allies on the left, stand in opposition to DeSantis in many ways.  Trump sided with Disney about the need for the government to discuss sexual activities with young pre-pubescent children.  Trump stands with the idea that men pretending to be women should be allowed unfettered access to intimate areas heretofore reserved to women.  Trump says about Ukraine anything about it that people want to hear at the current moment in time.

I don't know why you believe DeSantis politics are schtick.  He is well grounded in his beliefs and if some issues seem to be populist, they are in the respect that many people want to return to a saner world that refuses to accept the propositions that A is B and 2+2=5.

Sorry then if I read sonething into it you didn't actually write. I'm sure that has never happened to you. 😁

[seahawk]

20 hours ago, DKTanker said:

You've definitely received the leftists, and Trumpist, talking points.

• Don't talk about sex in school.  Not a thing.  He did just sign a law that prohibits in public schools, the talk and endorsement of mutilating children that are emotionally confused.
• Banning abortion after onset of cardiac activity.  When you or anybody else has a better objective point that the arbitrary snuffing of human life should cease, let us know.  Let's debate it.
• The longer the pointless bloodletting goes on in Ukraine the more it looks as if DeSantis is correct.
• Transactivist corporation Disney first picked a fight with the State of Florida and ultimately lost.  Do keep up with current events.

 

Those are things I would consider a bare minimum for any contender in the Republican party to have a chance to win the primaries. I think somebody with even more consequent positions would be favoured by many party members. It is not just about winning an election, it is about saving the USA as a free country.