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5 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

I figured his goal was the VP nod.  At this point... who else is even in contention for that?  There's been local talk that Lake has a shot but she's already running for the Senate and I think VP talk is just local media trying to get those MAGA page hits on their website.

I don't think anyone knows who Trump will pick for VP, even Trump. But I think Vivek's constant sucking of his dick makes it clear he wants a position, whatever he can get. It's not like a bunch of white MAGAists are going to elect the offspring of an Indian immigrant, whether its Haley or Vivek. Either one of those people would see their voter turnout die out in a general election.

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4 hours ago, Burncycle360 said:

If he really wanted to disrupt things, he'd try and convince tucker to run with him

 

How would it change anything if two guys saying the same thing all the time to the same audience ran together? Is there anyone who is pro Tucker who isn't pro Trump or vice versa?

 

There seems to be a weird thing in conservative politics where simultaneously they are the minority being put upon by wokeness but also the clear majority who should win and anyone who doesn't like Tucker and Trump clearly must belong to a < 50% of the voters. It is weird. Flip through any NewsMax/Faux News web page and you see alternating "we are the majority"/"we are the minority being oppressed" articles.

My interpretation is that both can be correct at the same time if you just assume the only real people are white christians. I know that seems like a reach, but it does square the circle: we can't get get the popular vote but real americans want trump!

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13 minutes ago, Josh said:

I don't think anyone knows who Trump will pick for VP, even Trump. But I think Vivek's constant sucking of his dick makes it clear he wants a position, whatever he can get. It's not like a bunch of white MAGAists are going to elect the offspring of an Indian immigrant, whether its Haley or Vivek. Either one of those people would see their voter turnout die out in a general election.

You really think their ethnicity is that big of a deal to the MAGA crowd?  I'm no fan of Trump or his supporters... but I question the role race plays.  All that seems to matter is loyalty to the orange man-child.

I mean... seems a given Trump will be in the upcoming Epstein release (since there are already so many photos of the two together).  I wonder what impact that will have on his support?  I'm guessing it won't change anything... sadly.

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1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

I mean... seems a given Trump will be in the upcoming Epstein release (since there are already so many photos of the two together).  I wonder what impact that will have on his support?  I'm guessing it won't change anything... sadly.

You mean the one released today that does not mention his name?

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/world/jeffrey-epstein-documents-unsealed-naming-prince-andrew-and-former-president-clinton-1.6710120

It's a CNN story on a CTV site - hardly Trump-friendly outlets.

 

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13 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

You really think their ethnicity is that big of a deal to the MAGA crowd?  I'm no fan of Trump or his supporters... but I question the role race plays.  All that seems to matter is loyalty to the orange man-child.

I mean... seems a given Trump will be in the upcoming Epstein release (since there are already so many photos of the two together).  I wonder what impact that will have on his support?  I'm guessing it won't change anything... sadly.

I think not all MAGAites are white nationalists but most white nationalists are MAGA. And in particular I suspect the voter base who shows up for a primary (dem or Rep) is particularly racially charged. And I think presidential elections are so close (due to the electoral college) that even several percentage points of MAGA staying home because the GOP candidate is not white would be enough to deep six any Republican candidate in a general election.

 

But yes, the far bigger issue seems to be that these candidates are not Trump. I wish I’d bookmarked all the old posts complaining about Obama being a cult of personality.

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13 hours ago, R011 said:

You mean the one released today that does not mention his name?

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/world/jeffrey-epstein-documents-unsealed-naming-prince-andrew-and-former-president-clinton-1.6710120

It's a CNN story on a CTV site - hardly Trump-friendly outlets.

 

This story does, it also points out that not all the docs have been released.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/04/news/all-the-a-listers-named-in-the-new-jeffrey-epstein-documents/  

But it seems to be Trump adjacent 

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Former President Donald Trump appeared at least four times in the unsealed documents.

In Sjoberg’s deposition, she described how Epstein once “called up” the real estate mogul and suggested visiting one of his casinos when Epstein’s private jet was diverted from New York City to Atlantic City, New Jersey.

“Jeffrey said, ‘Great, we’ll call up Trump and we’ll go to — I don’t recall the name of the casino, but — we’ll go to the casino,’” Sjoberg testified.

Sjoberg later added that she never massaged Trump.

In her own deposition, Giuffre said that she was lured into working as a masseuse for Epstein when she was 17 and working as a spa attendant at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.

 

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AFAIKS, there's nothing new about either Clinton or Trump in the doc drop, who have both long been known to be refered to by Giuffre with pretty much the same statements: "Yeah I met him, but he never had sex with us". The biggest revelation seems to be mention of Michael Jackson, though any risky business on his part wouldn't be a big surprise given his own reputation for slumber parties.

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1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

AFAIKS, there's nothing new about either Clinton or Trump in the doc drop, who have both long been known to be refered to by Giuffre with pretty much the same statements: "Yeah I met him, but he never had sex with us". The biggest revelation seems to be mention of Michael Jackson, though any risky business on his part wouldn't be a big surprise given his own reputation for slumber parties.

Well, nothing new....But not entirely ideal for Bill. 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/01/first-batch-of-jeffrey-epstein-files-released/

 

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Victim Johanna Sjoberg only repeated what Epstein said to her. In other words, hearsay. On page 42:

Q. Do you know if Bill Clinton was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein?

A. I knew he had dealings with Bill Clinton. I did not know they were friends until I read the Vanity Fair article about them going to Africa together.

Q. Did Jeffrey ever talk to you about Bill Clinton?

A. He said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls.

 

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Joe Biden has greatly moved the goalposts of "liking them young."

 

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21 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Joe Biden has greatly moved the goalposts of "liking them young."

 

I assume that is a reference to his age? Abu Ivanka is only several years younger. He’s also the one with the larger probability of sleeping with someone who isn’t his wife(s).

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Any Iowa predictions? I think Trump obviously wins and DeSantis comes in a distant second, but far enough in front of Niki to keep his campaign afloat. Christie likely doesn’t even place but his main focus is NH.

 

i also think we are just days away from Vivek dropping out.

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4 minutes ago, Josh said:

Any Iowa predictions? I think Trump obviously wins and DeSantis comes in a distant second, but far enough in front of Niki to keep his campaign afloat. Christie likely doesn’t even place but his main focus is NH.

 

i also think we are just days away from Vivek dropping out.

That's probably the outcome.  Niki's joke about New Hampshire's primary existing to correct Iowa's mistakes will leave a small mark, so her 3rd place finish will be a few points further back than it would otherwise have been. 

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22 hours ago, Josh said:

I assume that is a reference to his age? Abu Ivanka is only several years younger. He’s also the one with the larger probability of sleeping with someone who isn’t his wife(s).

 

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22 minutes ago, Murph said:

This!  I like this guy, I like how he treats the media like the child molester protecting racist, bigoted scum they really are.  

 

 

A good VP to Trump. He has the priorities right.

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22 hours ago, seahawk said:

A good VP to Trump. He has the priorities right.

Nope.  Two points to consider.  Trump will never consider somebody that threatens his own shine.  Nobody that does shine would willingly live in Trump's shadow.

Who was 2nd in command of Branch Davidian after David Koresh?  Who was 2nd in command of Jonestown after Jim Jones?  Nobody knows because cult leaders don't allow competition of their throne.

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