Rick Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 On 6/18/2023 at 8:12 PM, DKTanker said: And a University of Michigan All American football player. Back before Ann Arbor and UofM went all Moscow. Before the Unabomber and the Weather Underground started perfecting their crafts at Michigan. Easily the greatest President of the 20th century, Ronald Reagan, was a college swimmer and as a life guard saved over 70 lives plus one other life as governor.
Josh Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 538 obvious does a better job at poll analysis that I do, but basically the same conclusion: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-polls-say-after-trumps-second-indictment/
DB Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 10:10 AM, Rick said: Easily the greatest President of the 20th century, Ronald Reagan, was a college swimmer and as a life guard saved over 70 lives plus one other life as governor. It's OK to have been a Republican life guard, but not a Democrat one. 🤣
Skywalkre Posted June 22, 2023 Author Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/19/2023 at 2:20 AM, rmgill said: One of the key points of law in the US is equal application. Not unequal application of the It is absolutely comical for Rs to suddenly cry foul of a two tier justice system when minorities have been complaining about much more valid issues for decades. There absolutely is a two tier system - one for those with money and one for those without. Trump is in the former... and that's why he likely has nothing to fear from the charges in NY but may be in hot water for the Fed charges. He's actually getting the best he can out of the system - he'll likely be able to afford to avoid conviction on BS charges. Now imagine you're poor... and facing BS charges... and you have a few minutes tops with an overworked public defender before you go in front of the judge. You're fucked. But apparently that's been ok with Rs for decades? Oh, wait... their dipshit savior is facing consequences for his ridiculously poor choices... and this is what gets so many of you up in arms? Give me a break. Fore reference so many of you are in love with Matt Taibbi after he hooked up with Elon for the Twitter files. You might want to go back and check out some of his books from the last decade. He touches on this double standard that's been around for far too long that Rs didn't give a damn about (and technically still don't).
Skywalkre Posted June 22, 2023 Author Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 7:50 AM, Josh said: 538 obvious does a better job at poll analysis that I do, but basically the same conclusion: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-polls-say-after-trumps-second-indictment/ He's plateaued. The polling I've seen was always around (+/- a few % points) 60% of Rs were diehard Trumpers, 30% were technically ok with him but wanted to vote for someone else, and 10% were never-Trumpers. The polling we're seeing off 538 is showing Trump at 53% (the diehards), DeSantis at 21% (the ok-with-Trump-but-want-someone-else crowd), and varying other pols at 5% or less. Diehard Trumpers always knew charges were coming and had already prepped themselves with the conspiracy theories to blow them off. In hindsight, from a party where these same folks think 2020 was 'stolen', it was foolish for us to think charges would change anything. It's also completely irrelevant whether he picked up some points or even lost a few. His lead is so substantial and given how the R process is conducted (winner takes all) he's still the clear front runner by a wide margin with nobody, even DeSantis, showing any signs of being able to topple him. For the sake of discussion the thing that surprised me looking at 538's numbers... how the hell is Pence in third place with nearly 6% of the vote? The Rs have Trump in the lead, DeSantis, and then cardboard followed by everyone else. Who... who are those 6% that say Pence?
Harold Jones Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Skywalkre said: ... Who... who are those 6% that say Pence? People who still watch broadcast news and don't have twitter, facebook or tiktok?
rmgill Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: It is absolutely comical for Rs to suddenly cry foul of a two tier justice system when minorities have been complaining about much more valid issues for decades. There absolutely is a two tier system - one for those with money and one for those without. It's not about money. It's never been about money. It's been about power. Handwaving towards money by the billionaires in the DNC is absurd and an outright lie. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Trump is in the former... and that's why he likely has nothing to fear from the charges in NY but may be in hot water for the Fed charges. He's actually getting the best he can out of the system - he'll likely be able to afford to avoid conviction on BS charges. When Biden falls out of favor, look for the winds of power to shift. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Now imagine you're poor... and facing BS charges... and you have a few minutes tops with an overworked public defender before you go in front of the judge. You're fucked. No kidding. I've seen this first hand in DeKalb County. Stupid shit like grass too long and code enforcement. DeKalb is a blue bastion. This all goes on here. The DNC doesn't care about the little people. It NEVER HAS. I'm only interested in the party that wants to fuck with people less and apply the limits of power to the government. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: But apparently that's been ok with Rs for decades? Oh, wait... their dipshit savior is facing consequences for his ridiculously poor choices... and this is what gets so many of you up in arms? I'm up in arms here because it's a subject of discussion and folks like you are ok with it. I wasn't fine with it when I was going before DeKalb's probate court and was threatened with jail for contempt because of an objection OUTSIDE of court about the nature of the way the courts worked in this particular level. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Give me a break. Likewise.
Skywalkre Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Harold Jones said: People who still watch broadcast news and don't have twitter, facebook or tiktok? Maybe... why would they go for him, though? Someone else mentioned this could be what's left of the Religious Right... but you think he'd poll larger than that. I guess it makes sense a lot of those folks are in the MAGA crowd (like my family). Just... amusing where he's at. Most folks figured he'd be lucky to get 1% and here he is in third with nearly 6%. Still doesn't matter... but interesting nonetheless.
Skywalkre Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 And yet another enters the race - former Rep Will Hurd from TX has announced he is running for POTUS.
Josh Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 4:45 PM, Skywalkre said: It is absolutely comical for Rs to suddenly cry foul of a two tier justice system when minorities have been complaining about much more valid issues for decades. There absolutely is a two tier system - one for those with money and one for those without. Trump is in the former... and that's why he likely has nothing to fear from the charges in NY but may be in hot water for the Fed charges. He's actually getting the best he can out of the system - he'll likely be able to afford to avoid conviction on BS charges. Now imagine you're poor... and facing BS charges... and you have a few minutes tops with an overworked public defender before you go in front of the judge. You're fucked. But apparently that's been ok with Rs for decades? Oh, wait... their dipshit savior is facing consequences for his ridiculously poor choices... and this is what gets so many of you up in arms? Give me a break. Fore reference so many of you are in love with Matt Taibbi after he hooked up with Elon for the Twitter files. You might want to go back and check out some of his books from the last decade. He touches on this double standard that's been around for far too long that Rs didn't give a damn about (and technically still don't). This times ten. If Trump wasn’t rich, he’d be in jail. Ditto Hillary, pence, or Biden. There is a two tier system and it has nothing to do with party affiliation.
Josh Posted June 24, 2023 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/22/2023 at 10:04 PM, Skywalkre said: And yet another enters the race - former Rep Will Hurd from TX has announced he is running for POTUS. At this point no one in the race is doing it because they think they will win. They are doing it to boost their name. The GOP is unwilling to call Trump out for what he’s done or that he lost in 2020 and if you can run without anyone attacking your weaknesses you have won. Edited June 24, 2023 by Josh
DKTanker Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Josh said: This times ten. If Trump wasn’t rich, he’d be in jail. For what? As far as I know Trump has never been a defendant in a criminal trial. He is, however, unlike the other named individuals, facing at least two criminal court proceedings. Recall the same DoJ that is so hell bent on imprisoning Trump gave passes to those same named individuals. If it's all about money, and maybe it is, then perhaps you and Luke should lead by example, much like you want the US to lead by example on climate taxation, and finance one criminal defense each year. In any case, does it really matter? Soros funded DAs are putting criminals back on the street faster than the best defense attorney could manage.
17thfabn Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, DKTanker said: In any case, does it really matter? Soros funded DAs are putting criminals back on the street faster than the best defense attorney could manage. Depends on where you are. Soros funded DAs are fortunately not every where.
Ivanhoe Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, DKTanker said: In any case, does it really matter? Soros funded DAs are putting criminals back on the street faster than the best defense attorney could manage. With the outcome of mostly POCs and poor people suffering the damage from the released criminals. And no outcry from LW politicians, which says quite a bit about the left.
Skywalkre Posted June 25, 2023 Author Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Josh said: At this point no one in the race is doing it because they think they will win. They are doing it to boost their name. The GOP is unwilling to call Trump out for what he’s done or that he lost in 2020 and if you can run without anyone attacking your weaknesses you have won. The mayor from FL is definitely doing this in hopes of pulling a Buttigieg - hopefully make it to a debate, have a few zingers, get the attention, and then secure a spot in a later administration. A friend was saying that that guy's political future in FL is at its pinnacle... so I guess a run for POTUS to just get his name out and get the recognition makes sense. But Hurd... what's his goal? From the reports I saw he may be the most anti-Trump candidate in the R field. I'm not complaining and from what I saw he looked appealing but he has no chance in hell of getting anywhere. What's his end game?
17thfabn Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: But Hurd... what's his goal? From the reports I saw he may be the most anti-Trump candidate in the R field. I'm not complaining and from what I saw he looked appealing but he has no chance in hell of getting anywhere. What's his end game? Like former Governor Christie, to bust Trump's ⚽🏀🏈s! Maybe he has a book to sell. And still there is the possibility in a possible DeSantis administration.
Skywalkre Posted June 25, 2023 Author Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, 17thfabn said: Like former Governor Christie, to bust Trump's ⚽🏀🏈s! Maybe he has a book to sell. And still there is the possibility in a possible DeSantis administration. Heh... selling a book. Ugh... you have a point, it could be for nothing more than that.
rmgill Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Running for office nets a lot of money. Where does that money go? Edited June 25, 2023 by rmgill
17thfabn Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 3 hours ago, rmgill said: Running for office nets a lot of money. Where does that money go? You can hire family and friends . You can use the campaign funds to raise your profile for the next office you are running for. Say you are representative or governor that wants to be a US Senator.
Ivanhoe Posted June 26, 2023 Posted June 26, 2023 https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2023/06/25/iowa-newspaper-apologizes-for-racist-attack-on-gop-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-n560511 https://qctimes.com/opinion/editorial/cartoon-crossed-the-line-on-our-opinion-page/article_b3ec206e-381c-51c7-9b52-21776e45a4cd.html#tracking-source=mp-homepage Quote Racist and hateful ideas, words or images have no place in our publications, much less our society. It’s why we apologize today for letting such an image slip through our editorial process and into our opinion page Wednesday in the form of a political cartoon. The cartoon, while intended to criticize racist ideas and epithets, uses a phrase that is racist and insensitive to members of our Indian American community. The cartoon has been removed from our websites and e-editions, and we will not be accepting any further work from the cartoonist. As always, leftists projecting their own sins on the Rs. On the downside, Vivek may siphon a few votes from DeSantis, on the other hand he is going to be a very visible lightning rod for the left's bigotry.
Josh Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 The Desantis “pride” ad is kinda startling in how anti LGBTQ it is while still looking really gay. I’m not sure exactly who this was meant to appeal to…clearly he’s aiming to be to the right of Trump on all things, but the presentation is…well not optimal for the target audience. Was it made by a PAC and only tweeted by the Desantis campaign? Also the whole running to the right of Trump strategy seems ill advised, for two reasons. First, you can’t run to the right of the central figure of the GOP. Conservatism is more or less defined by Trump loyalty at this point, not political positions. Desantis is effectively trying to run a campaign against Trump based on issues, which has been proven to be a hopeless cause a couple times already. Second: he’s absolutely burning bridges among independents with his culture war focus. It seems unlikely he’s that much more electable than Trump, which I think is costing him donors and endorsements already. My read is Desantis is trying to pull a Hail Mary in Iowa to force all other possible contenders out and absorb their votes. I think at this point he has to win Iowa to be taken seriously.
Skywalkre Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 Saw an interesting clip of Pence being challenged by a voter in Iowa as to his conduct on 6Jan and why he didn't refuse to certify the election. To Pence's credit he stood his ground (you could actually see the look on his face that basically said "this lady is crazy"), defended his actions, said Trump was wrong about what he's said, and basically told the lady she didn't know what she was talking about. Kudos to him for that. Then after the clip some pundits were asked "how does he win the R nomination when he has to win a majority of voters who think like this lady?" Great question... I don't see how he can and neither could the pundits.
Josh Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Skywalkre said: Saw an interesting clip of Pence being challenged by a voter in Iowa as to his conduct on 6Jan and why he didn't refuse to certify the election. To Pence's credit he stood his ground (you could actually see the look on his face that basically said "this lady is crazy"), defended his actions, said Trump was wrong about what he's said, and basically told the lady she didn't know what she was talking about. Kudos to him for that. Then after the clip some pundits were asked "how does he win the R nomination when he has to win a majority of voters who think like this lady?" Great question... I don't see how he can and neither could the pundits. It’s funny how many post trump administration people have had a come to Jesus moment and declared him unfit for office. Basically all of the ones who weren’t convicted and subsequently pardoned. But in any case, as long as Desantis gives Trump a pass on his numerous failures in the hopes of securing his voters, he will lose. That GOP voters live in an alternate fact based reality is largely the work of conservative media, especially Fox News. They have made such a case against the Dems, all other media outlets, and the government as being untrustworthy such that every Trump failure is never his fault. If Desantis isn’t willing to call him out for being the self centered prick who achieved none of his campaign goals the first time around, then we can just cut to the chase and give trump the nom.
Mikel2 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Josh said: Also the whole running to the right of Trump strategy seems ill advised, for two reasons. First, you can’t run to the right of the central figure of the GOP. Conservatism is more or less defined by Trump loyalty at this point, not political positions. Desantis is effectively trying to run a campaign against Trump based on issues, which has been proven to be a hopeless cause a couple times already. Second: he’s absolutely burning bridges among independents with his culture war focus. It seems unlikely he’s that much more electable than Trump, which I think is costing him donors and endorsements already. Trump supports many progressive policies (which the left should be applauding). It's not surprising that many GOP candidates are going to be to the right of him.
glenn239 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Josh said: It’s funny how many post trump administration people have had a come to Jesus moment and declared him unfit for office. Given the number of Trump officials that wound up on the wrong side of a lawsuit or FBI prosecution, I'm surprised more didn't do so. Quote That GOP voters live in an alternate fact based reality is largely the work of conservative media, especially Fox News By an objective measure, Trump's 4 years in office overall are comparing favorably to Biden 1st term. Be quite the stretch for Trump supports, of all people, to have not noticed that.
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