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1 minute ago, urbanoid said:

Don't count on it, his GOP nomination seems pretty much guaranteed.

Which is bit weird, but I guess we don't have much of a vote in issue ;)

I wonder who'd be Dem candidate if something happens to Biden. Problem with both parties is that megalomaniac (and narcissistic) assholes never seem to retire until they have to. 

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5 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Okay, here's a more factual phrasing for a valid reason to bomb India: If Salman Rushdie complains again that he has to look at the extraordinary attack on libraries, and books for children in schools, and the attack on the idea of libraries themselves in the United States while also speaking out against the rewriting of older books in modern times to remove language deemed offensive, then following up with expressing pride that PEN America and his publisher Penguin House have brought a lawsuit challenging Florida’s Escambia County school district’s removal of certain books on race and LGBTQ issues from school libraries.

However, the joke gets a bit unwieldy.

Maybe he hasn't dug into what is actually not being allowed to be given to kids in schools. But the general gist is that it's about books fetishising various sex acts and things like teaching your elementary school kid what sorts of anal plugs are fun. WHY IS THAT EVEN IN SCHOOLS?

What sexual content is allowed in German school books? 

On the flip side he's also talking about how proper literature is being ret-conned or changed or hidden because of woke reasons. 

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2 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

Since Trump is getting bit old (both as topic and in person), we now need "Because DeSantis" thread :D

Just make it a Florida Man Thread. 😉

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12 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Maybe he hasn't dug into what is actually not being allowed to be given to kids in schools. But the general gist is that it's about books fetishising various sex acts and things like teaching your elementary school kid what sorts of anal plugs are fun. WHY IS THAT EVEN IN SCHOOLS?

What sexual content is allowed in German school books? 

I don't know. School books are typically understood to be something different from the general literature in school libraries, which themselves are not as common in Germany than in the US (apparently, only 15 compared to 92 percent of schools have one here), and I've never heard a public complaint about books they offer; so I find it hard to work that into a joke about how DeSantis' foreign policy might look based upon the way he has run Florida.

Maybe instead go for one about bombing the Galleria dell'Accademia in Florence over them inviting the Florida teacher who was fired for showing her students a picture of Michelangelo's David?

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7 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

Since Trump is getting bit old (both as topic and in person), we now need "Because DeSantis" thread :D

We're just under 8 months out from the Iowa caucuses.  The R format is winner takes all regardless of what % of the vote they get... and Trump still has a sizeable lead in the polls.  When polling shows that 60% of Rs are so delusional that they still believe the '20 election was stolen there's really no reason to see why his numbers would ever change.

With that being said depending on the poll you have a sizable chunk of Rs who aren't committed to a candidate.  That number is small enough that for any one candidate (except DeSantis - many of  these undecided voters appear to be never-Trump, Trump-fatigued and DeSantis is just viewed as Trump-lite so would likely not get those votes), those voters would basically have to all vote for that one person... and the chances of that happening are nil.

Just absolutely bizarre times we live in...

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7 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

I don't know. School books are typically understood to be something different from the general literature in school libraries, which themselves are not as common in Germany than in the US (apparently, only 15 compared to 92 percent of schools have one here), and I've never heard a public complaint about books they offer; so I find it hard to work that into a joke about how DeSantis' foreign policy might look based upon the way he has run Florida.


You’re over your skis on this Banshee. The books being removed based on sexual content are books with a very inappropriate content. People have read them aloud in school board meetings and the school hoard was incensed that someone would say such things in public, and with children present. Which is the problem that they’re in an elementary school library. 
 

The claims of ‘bans’ on books are misdirection that you and others have fallen for. 

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20 minutes ago, rmgill said:

You’re over your skis on this Banshee. The books being removed based on sexual content are books with a very inappropriate content. People have read them aloud in school board meetings and the school hoard was incensed that someone would say such things in public, and with children present. Which is the problem that they’re in an elementary school library. 
 

The claims of ‘bans’ on books are misdirection that you and others have fallen for. 

Moreover, you can't even go on TV and quote from many of those texts lest you face the wrath of the FCC.

Now this was 30 years ago, but I don't recall my son 5 years to 10 years old, attending German elementary school, ever being taught how to perform oral sex on other little boys and how to enjoy buggery.  Banshee, has Germany caught up to America's depravity in the meantime?  

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I watched Conan The Barbarian/Destroyer, Ladyhawke and Flash+Blood (decent amounts of violence, nudity and sex included in all) during the school organized cinema visits when I was between 8-11. :D 

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8 hours ago, seahawk said:

Obviously nobody can deny that books like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Queer

are not suitable for US society.

It's not that the book isn't suitable for U.S. society. It's the fact that it is NOT suitable for grade school children.

If your an adult feel free to read what you want. 

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48 minutes ago, bojan said:

I watched Conan The Barbarian/Destroyer, Ladyhawke and Flash+Blood (decent amounts of violence, nudity and sex included in all) during the school organized cinema visits when I was between 8-11. :D 

Seems like an odd choice for a school trip.

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15 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

Seems like an odd choice for a school trip.

In one birthday party when I was 6 the movie played after the cake was Mad Max, which still amazes me to this day. I think the kid's father thought - all these boys like cars and you see a lot of them in this movie.

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16 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

Seems like an odd choice for a school trip.

In the US Conan the Destroyer received a PG rating.  Had it been released a year later it likely would have received a PG-13 rating which is along the lines of what most European nations rated the film.  Compare that to Conan the Barbarian which was toned down to an R rating in the US.

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I haven't seen Conan in a long time. I don't remember it being an especially graphic movie. 

I just thought it was an odd movie to see on a school trip. Sounds like a move a substitute teacher might make.

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While Conan was not extremely graphic*, it is not exactly what is considered "kids safe" those days. But in '80s Yugoslavia, that was approached rather liberally, and any "fantasy" movie was seen as "kids thing", so it was not really a "mistake" as such. And since that is how I discovered Conan and generally most of the epic fantasy genre (I think I have started reading Moorcock only after seeing Conan the Barbarian...), I am really grateful to whoever picked those movies. :)

On more serious "movies not really appropriate for kids", movie about killing of schoolchildren in Kragujevac during WW2 was a mandatory school viewing.

Cinema trips with school were relatively common thing in '80s Yugoslavia, happened maybe two or three times per school year in primary school. Probably leftover from older times as by that time a lot of people had VCR**. Other than above movies I don't really remember a lot of others, some classic "kids movies" and some movies based on (sort of kids appropriate) "classic literature".

*Flesh+Blood was on whole other level however, a bit too much even for such liberal times. :)

**In about 1990-91., I was sent to video rental by parents in order to get some cartoons for my 5-6 y/o brother. And I borrowed When the Wind Blows. Because how the fuck could 11-12 y/o me have known what about it was with such a nice cover? :)

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2 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

...Sounds like a move a substitute teacher might make.

I think (well, long time ago, but then again I remembered it as such) that movies were actually picked by pretty old and pretty conservative teacher. He also insisted kids should read Mark Twain's "Life on Mississippi", and while "Tom Sawyer" and "Huckleberry Finn" were a mandatory reading in the primary school (IIRC 4th grade, about 10-11y/o), "Life..." is a much more serious book, especially pretty graphic description of consequences of steam boiler explosion.

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6 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

It's not that the book isn't suitable for U.S. society. It's the fact that it is NOT suitable for grade school children.

If your an adult feel free to read what you want. 

Fully agree, children need to be protected from such graphic literature.

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5 hours ago, bojan said:

I think (well, long time ago, but then again I remembered it as such) that movies were actually picked by pretty old and pretty conservative teacher.

We watched "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" on VHS in Latin class, ca. 10th/11th grade. God bless the soul of Mrs. Bormann, she was a classic "old school" teacher who neither needed to throw her authority around (because noone would have questioned it) nor tried to be "friends" with students (like some of the 60s generation leftist teacher who would suddenly turn all authoritarian when questioned).

Then again, our rather authoritarian old school conservative German teacher assigned Willi Heinrich's "The Willing Flesh" (AKA "The Iron Cross") to read around the same time. A girl in my class was quite shocked at all the violence, rape and sex scenes, and complained to him "I thought if you recommended a book it would be some valuable literature, not such pulp". :D

 

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8 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Man, getting a joke referencing restrictions on literature and arts approved for publication by the Ryan Committee is really hard. Maybe I should just stick to safe tropes like Biden being in China's pocket? 🤔

Stick to who bombed the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Lest we think you’re glowing. 

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1 hour ago, Josh said:

Christie is in. I assume he’s just in it for spite; I don’t see him as even a serious third tier candidate.

Christie could be useful to DeSantis as an attack dog against Trump. He can make attacks that DeSantis would be leery of, not wanting to alienate Trump's base voters.

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34 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

Christie could be useful to DeSantis as an attack dog against Trump. He can make attacks that DeSantis would be leery of, not wanting to alienate Trump's base voters.

I assume that is what Christie's goal is. I mentioned in a previous post that if he did jump in, it would probably be just to server as a spoiler against Trump.

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6 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

Christie could be useful to DeSantis as an attack dog against Trump. He can make attacks that DeSantis would be leery of, not wanting to alienate Trump's base voters.

Maybe, Trump is already blaming Christie for his nomination of Christopher Wray.  On the other hand Trump is also blaming DeSantis for having voted for Christopher Wray's appointment.  Odd thing, DeSantis was never a senator so could never have voted for Wray.  It must a Donald thing.

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Read an interesting article from the Hill that asked the question: why is Desantis even running? If he wins the nomination, Trump will burn him down anyway. Either he’ll run independently or just tell his voters it’s rigged (“again”) and not to show up. The only theories they had were generating hype for a future run and wishful thinking that he can somehow avoid the Trump trap and keep his voters. It’s honestly a question I hadn’t considered before.

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