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1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

 

Seems like weekly Catholic services are much quicker and regimented. When a Baptist minister gets on a roll the idea of a one hour service is an illusion.

But when it comes to wedding & funeral services the Catholics make up for the shorter Weekly service. 

Richard Jeni had a great bit about an Italian wiseguy priest doing Sunday service.

 

OTOH I went to an RCC funeral where the bishop went on a long tear drlving into scriptural doctrine with only rare mention of the departed.

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10 hours ago, sunday said:

The matter of unity is, perhaps, one of the biggest shortcomings of Protestant denominations.

The term "cafeteria Catholic" is one many Catholics I know use. It means they pick and choose what teachings of the Papacy they agree with and follow.

For instance most surveys show contraceptive use in the US by Catholics is on par with other religious groups.

Large numbers of Catholics are in favor of capitol punishment. Large numbers of Catholics believe in varying degrees of approval of abortion. 

Of course the same is true for many Protestants as far as following the teachings of their church. 

Two quick jokes:

A man dies and goes to heaven. After being there a few days he notices a giant curtain dividing heaven. He asks why it is there? He is told the Catholics are on the other side. They keep the curtain up so the Catholics will not know that they are not the only ones in heaven. We don't want to ruin it for them. Of course you can change Catholic for any other religion. 

Never take one Baptist with you fishing. If you do he will drink all your beer. Always take two Baptist with you because they will be too busy watching each other to drink your beer. 

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On 1/27/2023 at 12:03 PM, Ivanhoe said:

Richard Jeni had a great bit about an Italian wiseguy priest doing Sunday service.

 

OTOH I went to an RCC funeral where the bishop went on a long tear drlving into scriptural doctrine with only rare mention of the departed.

Was it me that sent you that? I've been on a Jeni binge the last few months.  Takes me back to when stand-up was king.  I sent it to my priest btw and he loved it. 

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2 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Was it me that sent you that? I've been on a Jeni binge the last few months.  Takes me back to when stand-up was king.  I sent it to my priest btw and he loved it. 

We've PMed back and forth about Platypus Man.

 

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Not to start a new thread, but in the vein of notable authoresses and authors, actresses and actors I would like to begin with notable Christians who have changed the world. I am thinking of Billy Graham and Mother Teresa to start.

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There are a number, beginning with the Fathers of the Church.

The early evangelizers of Western and Northern European Barbarians, early Irish monks amongst them.

Saints Cyril and Methodius, apostles to the Slavs.

Queen Isabella the Catholic of Castile, main supporter of the evangelization of the Americas.

 

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2 hours ago, sunday said:

There are a number, beginning with the Fathers of the Church.

The early evangelizers of Western and Northern European Barbarians, early Irish monks amongst them.

Saints Cyril and Methodius, apostles to the Slavs.

Queen Isabella the Catholic of Castile, main supporter of the evangelization of the Americas.

 

Thanks for the link and the, to me, new information.

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4 hours ago, sunday said:

There are a number, beginning with the Fathers of the Church.

The early evangelizers of Western and Northern European Barbarians, early Irish monks amongst them.

Saints Cyril and Methodius, apostles to the Slavs.

Queen Isabella the Catholic of Castile, main supporter of the evangelization of the Americas.

 

Is Aquinas now "on the outs" with the RCC?

It seems to me that Aquinas built much of the foundation for the ensuing rise in literacy, education, development of western science, and the Enlightenment.

 

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57 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Is Aquinas now "on the outs" with the RCC?

It seems to me that Aquinas built much of the foundation for the ensuing rise in literacy, education, development of western science, and the Enlightenment.

 

Of course not, despite what some special Jesuits could say. St. Thomas Aquinas' thought still is the most important contribution to Roman Catholic theology. Protestant, too, as Aquinas died before the Reformation, and Luther is but an intellectual pygmy when compared with the great Italian.

The 13th century had more than its fair share of great thinkers, like St. Albert the Great, the teacher of St. Thomas, or St. Bonaventure.

 

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On 1/26/2023 at 9:39 AM, Steven P Allen said:

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.  We remain committed to the infallibility of Scriptures and the fallibility of every human being.  While we have our own Progressive wing, it has not degraded our commitment to the Augsburg Confessions, the document that put Charles V in his place and rocked Rome.

Edited to add:  if you look at a congregation and want to know about it, let me know, and I will dig a little.

Sorry, Sunday:  gotta tell it like it is 🤠

I always wondered at the boldened concept. Serious question; isn't the scripture written by man? If nothing else, certainly transcribed and translated by man, and thus fallible? The concept of infallibility in general I find bewildering, to be honest.

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2 hours ago, Josh said:

I always wondered at the boldened concept. Serious question; isn't the scripture written by man? If nothing else, certainly transcribed and translated by man, and thus fallible? The concept of infallibility in general I find bewildering, to be honest.

In a nutshell, The Bible was written my men who were inspired by and directed by God.

"The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents, written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses, reporting supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claimed their writings are Divine and not of human origin.”

For further facts from just one Christian, see ...

https://crossroadsrush.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/5e7799629646606f57ee61e6_Why_Do_I_Believe_Handout.pdf

 

 


 

 

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19 hours ago, Rick said:

In a nutshell, The Bible was written my men who were inspired by and directed by God.

"The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents, written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses, reporting supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claimed their writings are Divine and not of human origin.”

For further facts from just one Christian, see ...

https://crossroadsrush.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/5e7799629646606f57ee61e6_Why_Do_I_Believe_Handout.pdf

 

 


 

 

Fair enough, but the concept is a hard sell from my point of view. To each their own.

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4 hours ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

 

70 out of a population 8,500 doesn't seem like a lot. I'd bet within two years over half will be onto the next thing, maybe they'll be pagans next.  

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4 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

70 out of a population 8,500 doesn't seem like a lot. I'd bet within two years over half will be onto the next thing, maybe they'll be pagans next.  

I bet they have a sick gaming store.  It wouldn't be hard to find somebody to do dnd with.

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14 minutes ago, Stargrunt6 said:

I bet they have a sick gaming store.  It wouldn't be hard to find somebody to do dnd with.

It would be hard to find anyone with a good or a neutral alignment, however.

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On 1/28/2023 at 5:38 PM, Murph said:

I will gladly admit to being one of those "cafeteria Catholics".  I am waiting for the church here to do what LA did, and allow nuns to do "sacred dancing" at the altar.  

Perhaps you could move to East Texas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Strickland

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18 hours ago, Josh said:

Fair enough, but the concept is a hard sell from my point of view. To each their own.

Understandable. Perhaps a way to look at inspiration is what the inspired did. Look at the people inspired by Christianity. Look at the people inspired by secular thoughts and actions.

Maybe this will help, Matthew 7:15-20.  The book of James is another example.

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29 minutes ago, Murph said:

Well, I used to live close to Tyler.  But the local ArchBishop here is from Mexico and is far, far on the left side of the spectrum.  Our priest is from Argentina and very much into Liberation Theology.  

My condolences.

Not all Mexican bishops are alike. See some of the discussed in this book by a Minnesotan priest that went to work in Mexico: https://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-Unwed-Father-Charles-Murr-ebook/dp/B08G5GCXJ9

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