Church Wars (From: Culture Wars)

[Murph]

The left reminds me of nothing more than a real life church of Nuggan in Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment novel.  Everything is an abomination!  New ones added daily!

[lucklucky]

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Gay “clubs” operate openly in Catholic seminaries, the institutions that prepare men for the priesthood, the late Pope Benedict XVI has claimed in a posthumously published book scathing of Pope Francis’s progressive agenda. 

In a blistering attack on the state of the Catholic Church under his successor’s papacy, Benedict, who died on Dec 31 at the age of 95, said that the vocational training of the next generation of priests is on the verge of “collapse”.

He claimed that some bishops allow trainee priests to watch pornographic films as an outlet for their sexual urges.

Benedict gave instructions that the book, What Christianity Is, should be published after his death.

The existence of “homosexual clubs” is particularly prevalent in the US, Benedict said in his book, adding: “In several seminaries, homosexual clubs operate more or less openly.”

He cited the example of an American bishop who allegedly allowed his seminarians, or trainee priests, to watch porn films “presumably with the intention of rendering them capable of resisting behaviours contrary to the faith”.

Benedict, whose conservative position on doctrinal matters contrasted with Francis’s more compassionate approach, complained that his previous books were regarded as dangerously traditionalist by some elements of the Church.

“In not a few seminaries, students caught reading my books are considered unworthy for the priesthood. My books are concealed as dangerous literature and are read only in hiding.”

Despite their many differences, Pope Francis also warned recently that priests and even nuns regularly watch porn.

He made the remarks in October, saying that indulging in porn is a danger to the soul and a way of succumbing to the malign influence of “the devil”.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/23/gay-clubs-run-seminaries-says-pope-benedict-posthumous-attack/

[Rick]

27 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/23/gay-clubs-run-seminaries-says-pope-benedict-posthumous-attack/

The "Lavender Mafia" has been around for quite a long time. The spiritual, moral, mental, and physical dangers of homosexuality is quite apparent throughout the world.  

This truth is why I stopped believing the American Psychological Association (APA) had a patients best interest at heart. Read below

Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981) In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy." Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

[sunday]

56 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/23/gay-clubs-run-seminaries-says-pope-benedict-posthumous-attack/

I shall read that book, but that bit of info matches what some old school priests have written about priestly discipline in some US dioceses, even compulsory internment in some kind of psychiatric institutions if one refused homosexuality. 

20 minutes ago, Rick said:

The "Lavender Mafia" has been around for quite a long time. The spiritual, moral, mental, and physical dangers of homosexuality is quite apparent throughout the world.  

This truth is why I stopped believing the American Psychological Association (APA) had a patients best interest at heart. Read below

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I think first time I read about was about 20 years ago. Reason enough to look mental health professionals with good references.

[Murph]

It is sad when the Babylon Bee is more accurate than all other media sources.  

https://babylonbee.com/news/black-smoke-rises-from-vatican-as-pope-tosses-another-bible-into-the-fireplace

This pope is a disgrace and he is a very large part why I refuse to attend church any longer (well plus the extreme left wing priest from Argentina who is our pastor), my hypocracy only goes so far.  

Plus it looks like Benedict fired a MAJOR shot across the lefty libtards in the Church.  Good for him!

https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2023/01/24/pope-benedict-unleashes-posthumous-bombshell-on-the-catholic-church-n1664629

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/benedict-xvi-gay-clubs-rampant-seminaries-posthumous-book  It just reinforces what this guy wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Goodbye-Good-Men-Liberals-Corruption/dp/1621574261

 

[sunday]

2 hours ago, Murph said:

It is sad when the Babylon Bee is more accurate than all other media sources.  

https://babylonbee.com/news/black-smoke-rises-from-vatican-as-pope-tosses-another-bible-into-the-fireplace

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I recall of a saint that used to say something in the style of "I believe in God and the RCC despite some bishops, some priests, and some faithful".

We are living not in the best of times.

[17thfabn]

38 minutes ago, sunday said:

I recall of a saint that used to say something in the style of "I believe in God and the RCC despite some bishops, some priests, and some faithful".

We are living not in the best of times.

Could be worse. You could have Alexander VI or several others from history.

 

[Murph]

The Jesuits are responsible for more Catholics leaving the faith than any other group in the Church.  I just cannot stomach the leftist tripe at Mass anymore.  It pisses off the wife, but I just cannot drag myself back to church.  If the Protestants were any less leftist, I would go back to being Protestant, maybe Greek Orthodox?

[17thfabn]

9 minutes ago, Murph said:

If the Protestants were any less leftist, I would go back to being Protestant, maybe Greek Orthodox?

There is a wide spread of political leanings of the various Protestant denominations. I was raised Baptist, and at least when I was a kid they were very conservative.

[Murph]

I was raised conservative Presbyterian, and they have gone snake they are so left these days.  Its hard to find one that actually believes in the bible anymore.

[Stargrunt6]

26 minutes ago, Murph said:

I was raised conservative Presbyterian, and they have gone snake they are so left these days.  Its hard to find one that actually believes in the bible anymore.

Do what I did and go ACNA!

 

https://anglicanchurch.net/

[17thfabn]

2 minutes ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Do what I did and go ACNA!

https://anglicanchurch.net/

I was under the impression that the Anglicans were more on the liberal side? 

Edited January 26, 2023 by 17thfabn

[Stargrunt6]

Just now, 17thfabn said:

I was under the impression that the Anglicans were on the liberal side? 

Not ACNA.  Some bishops even got excommunicated by the Episcopal church.

https://forums.anglican.net/threads/acna-and-episcopalian.4631/

[sunday]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

The Jesuits are responsible for more Catholics leaving the faith than any other group in the Church.  I just cannot stomach the leftist tripe at Mass anymore.  It pisses off the wife, but I just cannot drag myself back to church.  If the Protestants were any less leftist, I would go back to being Protestant, maybe Greek Orthodox?

Well, the Jesuit General in charge when the Company turned left was nuked in Hiroshima, so that is Truman's fault!

However, Jesuits did a lot of good from the 16th century until after WWII. I have met one of the few last good ones here.

[Rick]

The United Methodist Church turned secular and is loosing more churches than they thought possible. The Biblical true Methodist Church is now called The Global Methodist Church.

[lucklucky]

I think i posted this already in the forum...

 

[NickM]

3 hours ago, sunday said:

Well, the Jesuit General in charge when the Company turned left was nuked in Hiroshima, so that is Truman's fault!

However, Jesuits did a lot of good from the 16th century until after WWII. I have met one of the few last good ones here.

Well they wanted to burn the heretic Pilot=Major John Blackthorn at the stake.

[rmgill]

5 hours ago, Murph said:

The Jesuits are responsible for more Catholics leaving the faith than any other group in the Church.  I just cannot stomach the leftist tripe at Mass anymore.  It pisses off the wife, but I just cannot drag myself back to church.  If the Protestants were any less leftist, I would go back to being Protestant, maybe Greek Orthodox?

Is Asatru too conservative? 

[Steven P Allen]

14 hours ago, Murph said:

I was raised conservative Presbyterian, and they have gone snake they are so left these days.  Its hard to find one that actually believes in the bible anymore.

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.  We remain committed to the infallibility of Scriptures and the fallibility of every human being.  While we have our own Progressive wing, it has not degraded our commitment to the Augsburg Confessions, the document that put Charles V in his place and rocked Rome.

Edited to add:  if you look at a congregation and want to know about it, let me know, and I will dig a little.

Sorry, Sunday:  gotta tell it like it is 🤠

[sunday]

54 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

Sorry, Sunday:  gotta tell it like it is

I am not complaining.

I should tell that there is only one True Church, nevertheless, and one should always keep in mind Matthew 16:18.

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And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

 

[Steven P Allen]

8 minutes ago, sunday said:

 

I should tell that there is only one True Church, nevertheless, and one should always keep in mind Matthew 16:18.

 

I won't disagree about One Church, the Body of Christ.  The divisions of the Church are a source of pain to the Body.

The Greek in Matthew 16:18 about Peter gets MISread:  "this rock" is not Peter (the little rock = pebble) but rather his confession of faith [petros vs. petra], given him by the Father through the Holy Spirit.  This rock (the Big Rock = Christ) is the same one upon which Christ tells us to build our house lest the storms wipe us out.

I suspect the rest of the Forum would prefer we not rehearse the Reformation in detail, my friend, so let's just remember that we have more in common than theologically than not.  If you guys would just acknowledge the solas, we would happily let you rejoin (which was what Luther and his ilk wanted to begin with) 😎

[sunday]

2 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

I won't disagree about One Church, the Body of Christ.  The divisions of the Church are a source of pain to the Body.

The Greek in Matthew 16:18 about Peter gets MISread:  "this rock" is not Peter (the little rock = pebble) but rather his confession of faith [petros vs. petra], given him by the Father through the Holy Spirit.  This rock (the Big Rock = Christ) is the same one upon which Christ tells us to build our house lest the storms wipe us out.

I suspect the rest of the Forum would prefer we not rehearse the Reformation in detail, my friend, so let's just remember that we have more in common than theologically than not.  If you guys would just acknowledge the solas, we would happily let you rejoin (which was what Luther and his ilk wanted to begin with) 😎

Yep, lots of things in common, but there are more in common between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, and look how deep the historical divisions are.

On the sola fide, and sola scriptura, looks like neither of the two are scriptural.

The historical figure of Martin Luther needs to be more known, especially his role during the German Peasants' War.

[Murph]

The local priest went on a rant in Mass over something Trump had done regarding illegals, and that was the LAST time I showed up in Church.  The local Archbishop in San Antonio is in to all the fashionable lefty causes, and it is just terrible.  I am waiting for the Pope to hold sacred dancing, and start allowing people to optionally believe in the bible.  Sorry, did not mean to turn this into a religion page.  

At least the Greek Orthodox seem to hold the line, and actually believe in the bible.....  Wasn't there a church group/ denomination that had a transvestite bishop or something?  

[Wobbly Head]

45 minutes ago, Steven P Allen said:

I won't disagree about One Church, the Body of Christ.  The divisions of the Church are a source of pain to the Body.

The Greek in Matthew 16:18 about Peter gets MISread:  "this rock" is not Peter (the little rock = pebble) but rather his confession of faith [petros vs. petra], given him by the Father through the Holy Spirit.  This rock (the Big Rock = Christ) is the same one upon which Christ tells us to build our house lest the storms wipe us out.

I suspect the rest of the Forum would prefer we not rehearse the Reformation in detail, my friend, so let's just remember that we have more in common than theologically than not.  If you guys would just acknowledge the solas, we would happily let you rejoin (which was what Luther and his ilk wanted to begin with) 😎

Also if you start to burn Heritics at the stake it will really upset the Climate Change sect.

[sunday]

14 minutes ago, Murph said:

The local priest went on a rant in Mass over something Trump had done regarding illegals, and that was the LAST time I showed up in Church.  The local Archbishop in San Antonio is in to all the fashionable lefty causes, and it is just terrible.  I am waiting for the Pope to hold sacred dancing, and start allowing people to optionally believe in the bible.  Sorry, did not mean to turn this into a religion page.  

At least the Greek Orthodox seem to hold the line, and actually believe in the bible.....  Wasn't there a church group/ denomination that had a transvestite bishop or something?  

Time to look for another parish, then.