TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) We have seen with the January 6th insurrection that there is a great right wing threat to democracy. This has again been shown in the recent insurrection in Brazil by right-wingers. Right-wingers actively plot with Hungarian autocrat Viktor Orban on how to import his autocracy to America. There are constant threats from right-wingers against government workers, election workers, journalists and people who oppose anti-democracy forces. At the same time the Republican Party cannot even bring order to itself, viciously attacking each other over who will lead them. It's a great time of crisis in the United States and the world, but it is important to maintain the US' democratic values. Edited January 20, 2023 by TayJG
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62925460 Quote Viktor Orban: Hungary 'autocracy' verdict from EU correct, say activists By Matt Murphy BBC News Hungarian civil liberties groups have welcomed a new EU report that says the country cannot be considered a full democracy. The EU parliament voted to approve the report on Thursday, which accused Prime Minister Viktor Orban of creating an "electoral autocracy". https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/86809 Quote Hungary Enters a New Era of Autocracy Fidesz used every means an autocratic government has in its armory, spending the resources of state and party interchangeably to fund political campaigns and creating a rigged media environment where, in addition to the entire public media, even 50 percent of commercial media is controlled by the governing party and financed by government sources. Since 2010 Orbán has become more repressive with his critics—whether civil society organizations, journalists, or politicians. That is likely to continue. Those municipalities led by opposition parties will need to prepare to face financial punishments that will hollow out their powers. Edited January 20, 2023 by TayJG
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BansheeOne Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 And genocide, we can't have fascism, hatred and world-wide destruction without genocide!
Murph Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Or the Spanish Inquistion! Just remember the Nazi's were SOCIALISTS- National German SOCIALIST workers Party.
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Murph said: Or the Spanish Inquistion! Just remember the Nazi's were SOCIALISTS- National German SOCIALIST workers Party. They were white nationalist and fascist, just like right-wingers today. Interesting that you support the above fascism.
Tim Sielbeck Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, TayJG said: It's a great time of crisis in the United States and the world, but it is important to maintain the US' democratic values. I'd rather maintain its republican values, thank you very much.
Tim Sielbeck Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) Double post. Edited January 20, 2023 by Tim Sielbeck
Murph Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 I agree rather than black racism. All lives matter! Blue live matter!
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, Tim Sielbeck said: I'd rather maintain its republican values, thank you very much. OK, so you want dictatorship and call it "republican values."
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, Murph said: I agree rather than black racism. All lives matter! Blue live matter! Not a surprise to see racism against black folks from right wingers, racism is an integral part of fascism.
Murph Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 The only fascists are on the left thank you very much, since they were the ones calling for normals to be put in camps, calling for the death of cops, calling for the death to anyone that disagrees with them. ALL LIVES MATTER, BLUE LIVES MATTER! Go Trump Go DeSantis! Yee Haw! PS: While not all socialists are fascists, all fascists ARE socialists! George Flyod was a career criminal. Also I learned actual history, not vomited crap theory from a gender studies class or a queer theory class. Have a great day!
Tim the Tank Nut Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 This is the FFZ on Tanknet which is primarily a military themed forum. Why do the hosts of The View keep coming here and posting? Of all the internet to choose from Whoopi comes here. I must have been a Mongol slave trader in a previous life....
rmgill Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, TayJG said: They were white nationalist and fascist, just like right-wingers today. How are they fascist? Don't use circular arguments. Don't give us Well the Fascist drank water so the right wingers drink water so they're fascist arguments. Define what fascism is and expalin how the right is and the left is not at the same thing. Show. Your. Work.
rmgill Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said: This is the FFZ on Tanknet which is primarily a military themed forum. Why do the hosts of The View keep coming here and posting? It's a rule. We always have to have a PIQ type sock puppet for some lefty thing. Or maybe he works for the FBI.
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, rmgill said: How are they fascist? Don't use circular arguments. Don't give us Well the Fascist drank water so the right wingers drink water so they're fascist arguments. Define what fascism is and expalin how the right is and the left is not at the same thing. Show. Your. Work. You're arguing that Nazis are not fascist and you call that a circular argument? Do you share their views. No amount of work is going to get through to you, not that you showed any to begin with. 15 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said: This is the FFZ on Tanknet which is primarily a military themed forum. Why do the hosts of The View keep coming here and posting? Of all the internet to choose from Whoopi comes here. I must have been a Mongol slave trader in a previous life.... Please link to me your complaints on right-wing stupidity on this thread: If not, it can be assumed that your comment is just more Proud Boy hate propaganda. 36 minutes ago, Murph said: The only fascists are on the left thank you very much, since they were the ones calling for normals to be put in camps, calling for the death of cops, calling for the death to anyone that disagrees with them. ALL LIVES MATTER, BLUE LIVES MATTER! Go Trump Go DeSantis! Yee Haw! PS: While not all socialists are fascists, all fascists ARE socialists! George Flyod was a career criminal. Also I learned actual history, not vomited crap theory from a gender studies class or a queer theory class. Have a great day! That's clearly a lie, as was shown. The right wing has embraced fascism in the US and seeks out new fascist allies in all countries (Brazil. Hungary, Turkey, Philippines, China, Russia, etc). The racism you showed is in line with this.
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, rmgill said: It's a rule. We always have to have a PIQ type sock puppet for some lefty thing. Or maybe he works for the FBI. "Or maybe he works for the FBI" - rmgill This is the kind of thinking that right-wingers embrace today.
EchoFiveMike Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 Who is this shit puppet? Just like the media, everything he says is observably 3200 mils opposite of fact. Straw men, misdirection, gaslighting and nonsense. S/F....Ken M
rmgill Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, TayJG said: You're arguing that Nazis are not fascist and you call that a circular argument? Do you share their views. No amount of work is going to get through to you, not that you showed any to begin with. No, I'm asking you to expalin how whom ever you're accusing of fascism is in fact a fascist. I'll help you out here. From The Palgrave Macmillan Dictionary of Political Thought fascism From Latin: fasces, the bundle of rods with a projecting axe-head, carried before the consuls as a sign of the state authority of Rome, and adopted as a symbol of social unity (the bundle) under political leadership (the axe). The name was given by Mussolini to the movement which he led to power in Italy in 1922, but is now used more widely, to include German *Nazism, and Spanish *falangism, on the basis more of a common *ethos than a common *doctrine. Fascism is characterized by the following features (not all of which need be present in any of its recognized instances): *corporatism; *nationalism; hostility to *democracy, to *egalitarianism, and to the values of liberal *enlightenment; the cult of the *leader, and admiration for his special qualities; a respect for collective organization, and a love of the symbols associated with it, such as uniforms, parades and army discipline. In Germany the cult of *violence, together with a violent *anti-semitism, were added to these features, with notorious results. The *anti-commu- nist and anti-liberal stance of fascist movements, together with the loath- someness of many actual examples, have made the fight against fascism a rallying point for left and liberal causes, so that the label ‘fascist’ may often be applied very loosely, to denote almost any doctrine that conflicts with left-liberal ideology. In this expletive use the term conveys no very clear idea, a fact which perhaps explains its popularity. From the intellectual point of view fascism remains an amalgam of disparate conceptions, often ill-under- stood, often bizarre. It is more notable as a political phenomenon on which diverse intellectual influences converge than as a distinct idea; as a political phenomenon, one of its most remarkable features has been the abil- ity to win massive popular support for ideas that are expressly anti-egalitarian (see *Reich). Mussolini’s own ideas were derived from a heady mixture of popular science, *Marx, *Sorel and *Nietzsche. He advocated regeneration through conquest and perpetual strug- gle, and spoke, in speeches seething with sexual imagery, of the need to overcome degeneracy and impotence, to make sacrifices for the nation, and to connect to the great ‘dynamo’ of fascism. Fascists are ‘not republicans, socialists, democrats, conservatives or nationalists. They represent a synthe- sis of all the negations and the affir- mations.’ In other words, the ultimate doctrine contains little that is specific, beyond an appeal to energy and action: it is, one might say, the form of an *ideology, but without specific content (other than can be provided by admiration towards the leader). This perhaps explains some of its appeal; it seemed to make no demand other than those which the individual himself would make had he the energy. It then provided the energy. So we have: corporatism nationalism; hostility to *democracy, to *egalitarianism, and to the values of liberal *enlightenment; the cult of the *leader, and admiration for his special qualities; a respect for collective organization, and a love of the symbols associated with it, such as uniforms, parades and army discipline. Under Obama we had: Corporatism, Hostility to Democracy, Hostility to the values of the enlightenment, cult of the leader and admiration of his special qualities, respect and demands for collective organization and love of symbols associated with that, just not parades and army discipline, it's other symbols. Rainbow Pride flags, etc. Explain then how Obama isn't representative of facism? A key thing in this is that the Right is SPECIFICALLY exhorting the values of the enlightenment while the left in this country is seeking to destroy it, minimize it or set it aside entirely. Who's trying to get the founding fathers set aside as utterly unforgivable? It's not the right. So, between that and the fact that there's a strong corporatist movement in the left (See also WEF), as well as a hostility to true democracy, I'm having a hard time seeing your case is not in fact inverted. The acceptance or rejection fo the enlightenment is the key thing here.
rmgill Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TayJG said: "Or maybe he works for the FBI" - rmgill This is the kind of thinking that right-wingers embrace today. Usually because it's been shown to be true. I mean you haven't been making noise about how you want to build an illegal SBR so you could be a Fed Sockpuppet. What do you do? Why are you here? Do you tank? Are you a history geek? Are you paid by the Feds to post on forums? Your first post here was but what about fascists in the Biden thread. Edited January 20, 2023 by rmgill
TayJG Posted January 20, 2023 Author Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, rmgill said: No, I'm asking you to expalin how whom ever you're accusing of fascism is in fact a fascist. I'll help you out here. You admitted you don't even know what you're replying to. You argued against my statement that Nazis are fascist and told me to "show your work", then you accused me of working for the FBI. You're the one who needs help. "Are you paid by the Feds to post on forums? " - rmgill This kind of stuff is a big part of right-wingers today. Edited January 20, 2023 by TayJG
rmgill Posted January 20, 2023 Posted January 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, TayJG said: You admitted you don't even know what you're replying to. You argued against my statement that Nazis are fascist and told me to "show your work", then you accused me of working for the FBI. You're the one who needs help. No, I'm asking you to substantiate how right wingers of today are fascist. Thats your schtick that you've introduced yourself with. So, make your case.
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