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17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I was darkly amused to see the documentary about the 30mm cannon on it that used to shake the instrument panel to bits.

Yep, I've seen it and also the same story is in the MiG's monographies. Seems it would be far better to install GSh-23-6 instead (the cannon installed on Su-24/M Fencer) or just retain the GSh-23-2 from MiG-23.

It also seems that production of both Su-17 and MiG-27 was kept as a measure to quickly re-equip lots of fighter-bomber regiments from obsolete MiG-17 and Su-7. And I do agree that Su-17M4 was far better than any of the MiG-27 family, except MiG-27K with Kayra targeting station, the same as used on Su-24M; yet only in targeting devices. Sukhoi could carry much more variants of stores than MiG.

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23 hours ago, Perun said:

SOVIET AND EAST EUROPEAN MANPOWER IN EASTERN EUROPE

https://archive.org/details/cia-readingroom-document-cia-rdp85g00105r000100190013-0/page/n11/mode/1up

 

Document with maps of military districts / armies. Maps are from before 1980s because Romania had only 2 armies before reorganisation.

It is from 1966.

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I'm not sure where put this link, so I put it in few places...

https://wbh.wp.mil.pl/c/pages/atts/2023/4/bPawe_Piotrowski_-_Operacja_Wisa._Bron_jadrowa_na_terytorium_Polski.pdf

An article about nuclear weapons storage sites in Poland - codename "Wisła" (Vistula) based upon documents from Central Military Archive.

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11 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I think Rich said that the guy who did www.ww2.dk died some years ago.

I don't think so - the "Soviet" website is a spin-off of the main website dedicated to Luftwaffe, which was updated at east in March 2023:

https://www.ww2.dk/

The Soviet website may be iniactive due to Holm's inability to reach more recent Russian sources (the latest edition of Feskov's book was published in late 2021 just before the war with Ukraine and is pretty hard to purchase from Russia now. And FESKOV himself died in Summer 2022.

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On 10/13/2023 at 9:45 AM, Darth Stalin said:

I don't think so - the "Soviet" website is a spin-off of the main website dedicated to Luftwaffe, which was updated at east in March 2023:

https://www.ww2.dk/

The Soviet website may be iniactive due to Holm's inability to reach more recent Russian sources (the latest edition of Feskov's book was published in late 2021 just before the war with Ukraine and is pretty hard to purchase from Russia now. And FESKOV himself died in Summer 2022.

Stuart is right, Michael Holm passed away a few years ago but site updates are done by other people. This did away with the project half way (while there's a ton of info, there's a ton of info missing from the then existing sources).

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On 10/14/2023 at 9:05 AM, RETAC21 said:

Stuart is right, Michael Holm passed away a few years ago but site updates are done by other people. This did away with the project half way (while there's a ton of info, there's a ton of info missing from the then existing sources).

Sad to hear that.  He's left a terrific website.

Best,

Greg.

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2 hours ago, DB said:

A friend of mine visited Poland recently and posted that very map on FB. It's on display in a military museum.

Yes, I gather they have a collection based around a Pole who supplied information to the West. Mykola has some of his material on his website.

 

https://culture.pl/en/article/kuklinski-how-the-cias-best-placed-cold-war-spy-escaped-the-eastern-bloc

3 minutes ago, GJK said:

Sad to hear that.  He's left a terrific website.

Best,

Greg.

Agreed, it's fantastic, particularly  the Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe airbase guide is particularly  interesting.

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On 10/15/2023 at 8:43 PM, Stuart Galbraith said:

In fact, this whole guys thread is interesting,  he even seems to hav a Warsaw pact nuclear strike list, with grid references.

 

And this one is interesting - showing West German 5th Army Corps:

 

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