17thfabn Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 It is sad regardless, he was relatively young. You see so many stars die young or unexpectedly, and very often when the final results come out it is alcohol or other drug related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 43 minutes ago, TrustMe said: I saw a media report years ago that he went to rehab for a prescription painkiller addiction. Per internet sources, 65 successful rehab stints. The parody potential aside - it's sad, really. What makes me angry is how the entertainment industry is doing a really terrible job at preparing young people for fame, and its side effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Its not even a new problem. Raymond Chandler was talking about a 'Dr Feelgood' in 'Lady in the Lake'. Thats some 80 years ago now. Heck, its 46 years ago Elvis died from substance abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Its not even a new problem. Raymond Chandler was talking about a 'Dr Feelgood' in 'Lady in the Lake'. Thats some 80 years ago now. In the U.S. the widespread opiate / heroin / fentanyl problem started getting bad about 15 to 20 years ago. Before that the biggest opiate problem was when grandma accidentaly double up on her meds. Yet randomly some rock star would OD and die from heroin. Curt Cobain of Nirvana was said to have so much heroin in his system that the self inflicted gun shot wound was superfluous. That was 1994. Almost 30 years ago. "Johnny's life passed him by like a warm summer day, if you listen to the wind you can still hear him play" (Shooting Star, Bad Company). Edited October 30 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 54 minutes ago, 17thfabn said: In the U.S. the widespread opiate / heroin / fentanyl problem started getting bad about 15 to 20 years ago. Before that the biggest opiate problem was when grandma accidentaly double up on her meds. Yet randomly some rock star would OD and die from heroin. Curt Cobain of Nirvana was said to have so much heroin in his system that the self inflicted gun shot wound was superfluous. That was 1994. Almost 30 years ago. "Johnny's life passed him by like a warm summer day, if you listen to the wind you can still hear him play" Go back a generation: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Keith Moon, Jim Morrison, Cass Elliot . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, R011 said: Go back a generation: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Keith Moon, Jim Morrison, Cass Elliot . . . You can go back even further. Hank Williams in 1953, 29 years old. Heart attack caused by drugs including opiates and alcohol. Edited October 30 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 I'm not on Facebook, but for those of you who are, a story my wife found. https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2545874928614&id=1306000993&set=a.1137879009596&sfnsn=mo&mibextid=Na33Lf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 (edited) 17 hours ago, 17thfabn said: In the U.S. the widespread opiate / heroin / fentanyl problem started getting bad about 15 to 20 years ago. Before that the biggest opiate problem was when grandma accidentaly double up on her meds. Yet randomly some rock star would OD and die from heroin. Curt Cobain of Nirvana was said to have so much heroin in his system that the self inflicted gun shot wound was superfluous. That was 1994. Almost 30 years ago. "Johnny's life passed him by like a warm summer day, if you listen to the wind you can still hear him play" (Shooting Star, Bad Company). Well it was a little more common than that, and it clearly made the popular culture at the time. This was 1965, and apparently a protest against the availabity of Valium, and the obvious hypocrisy about the non availablity of less harmful drugs like Cannabis presumably. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother's_Little_Helper I wouldnt disagree that it has really boomed with the fentanyl problem, you are quite right about that. But look at Johnny Cash, he never really had any problem getting pills. That never has been a problem for the rich and famous. I didnt know that about Cobain. Sounds like the poor little bastard wanted to make a proper job of it. Another very talented man. Edited October 31 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 The U.S. had a Heroin problem during the Vietnam War and after for a while. It never totally went away, but was fairly low key through most of the 80's and 90's. I knew plenty of people who did drugs in the 70's and 80's. Pot was common. Cocaine some what common in the 1980's. But every one I knew was scarred of heroin.And no one wanted to stick a needle in their arm. Of course those in the music scene seemed to always have a problem with all kinds of drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 Which is why I think that the entertainment industry's base process is best described as "feeding talent into a meatgrinder". They shed crocodile's tears for everyone lost to substance abuse, but do nothing to prepare young talents for the shock of potential sudden fame, and the kind of predators that it attracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 It's because they're the main predators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 (edited) For them it is not a bug, it is a feature. Edited November 1 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 On 10/29/2023 at 6:16 PM, Ssnake said: Per internet sources, 65 successful rehab stints. The parody potential aside - it's sad, really. What makes me angry is how the entertainment industry is doing a really terrible job at preparing young people for fame, and its side effects. But the industry attracts are certain type of people. Mostly extroverts who are suckers for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 17 minutes ago, seahawk said: But the industry attracts are certain type of people. Mostly extroverts who are suckers for attention. Im not sure I agree. Its for sure manypeople with talent thrive on the attention. I can point to others, not least Kate Bush or David Bowie, who do everything they can to maintain their privacy because it is indeed a meatgrinder. Even Clapton has been distinctly reticent about how much of himself he puts out in the public. Or here is another example, Pink Floyds Syd Barrett. People think he had the breakdown AFTER he took LSD. its pretty clear listening to interviews with the other members he was having trouble with the fame, which is presumably why he went for the drugs to cope. its not just musicians. How many sportsman have we seen go the same way? Maradona, Paul Gascoine, George Best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 The entertainment industry attracts psychologically damaged people, IMHO. Folks in that condition, when subsequently integrated into a stressful job, are going to be vulnerable to addictions. Pro sports, at least here in the US, has a similar problem. Pro football being the worst, opiate painkillers being handed out like candy. I vaguely recall a statement from a retired NFL player along the lines of "it takes two Percocet to get me out of bed in the morning." As for the rise in addiction, if we set aside the whole "opium den" thing for a minute, it is useful to recall the morphine addiction problem in the US after the ACW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Astronaut Frank Borman, 95; https://apnews.com/article/astronaut-frank-borman-died-at-95-ed5eb4edf26a4076a2fef6cc31881aff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 The ole' be careful what you wish for... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RmYAhEK_C6c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Not to mention Jim Weatherby In Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 He also portrayed the top villain in Lethal Weapon 2, and had a memorable appearance in one of my favorite heist movies of all time, Flawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 'Diplomatic Immunity!' 'Revoked!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 You've lost another fine actor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted November 21 Author Share Posted November 21 Richard Jordan was excellent there. Also not with us anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 On 11/1/2023 at 8:09 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Im not sure I agree. Its for sure manypeople with talent thrive on the attention. I can point to others, not least Kate Bush or David Bowie, who do everything they can to maintain their privacy because it is indeed a meatgrinder. Even Clapton has been distinctly reticent about how much of himself he puts out in the public. Yeah, many are "theater kids" and others are, well, theater kids (I was one, I'm one to talk). Sade and Hope Sandoval of Mazzy Star. The latter is not so much a closed book but still in packaging. On 11/1/2023 at 8:09 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: Or here is another example, Pink Floyds Syd Barrett. People think he had the breakdown AFTER he took LSD. its pretty clear listening to interviews with the other members he was having trouble with the fame, which is presumably why he went for the drugs to cope. Then there's the opposite. Motley Crue members said they did drugs to still have the feeling of being onstage. On 11/1/2023 at 8:09 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: its not just musicians. How many sportsman have we seen go the same way? Maradona, Paul Gascoine, George Best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 On 11/1/2023 at 9:42 AM, Ivanhoe said: The entertainment industry attracts psychologically damaged people, IMHO. Folks in that condition, when subsequently integrated into a stressful job, are going to be vulnerable to addictions. Pro sports, at least here in the US, has a similar problem. Pro football being the worst, opiate painkillers being handed out like candy. I vaguely recall a statement from a retired NFL player along the lines of "it takes two Percocet to get me out of bed in the morning." As for the rise in addiction, if we set aside the whole "opium den" thing for a minute, it is useful to recall the morphine addiction problem in the US after the ACW. A typical NFL running back goes through the trauma of a bad car accident. So I can definitely see why. The idea of having to go play full-contact tag with Julius Peppers, Shaun Merriman or Cortez Kennedy is enough to give me arthritis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said: The idea of having to go play full-contact tag with Julius Peppers, Shaun Merriman or Cortez Kennedy is enough to give me arthritis. I've posted this quote before from Lawrence Taylor; “When you get old, everything is hurting. When I get up in the morning, it sounds like I’m making popcorn.” And he played at 230-240lb, hitting 200lb running backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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