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Prompted by me coming into some money (nothing huge) this year and debating buying a new car but srsly there's nothing I want to buy, at least for the prices they want. 

Currently the "family car" is a 2016 Subaru Outback (frickin' great car actually and despite what reviewers say I'm actually happy we sprung for the V6, we've driven it from coast to coast and it's held up great with no issues, etc.)

"My car" (only because my wife hates driving it) is a 2014 BMW 428 I bought for $25k at CarMax back in 2018 when used cars were cheap as hell -- honestly, I was deciding between that and a new Honda Civic or something. Is fun to drive and hasn't ever broken down on me, but I'm kinda feeling meh toward it nowadays (driving a coupe sucks when most of your driving is ferrying small children around a city). Plus (ironically for German technology!) these things aren't really built to last, repairs are expensive as hell and there's so much random crap that can go wrong.

Had major plans to buy a new VW GTI this year but their interiors look like shit now and I really don't want to deal with an all-digital instrument panel (which is just cost-cutting, screens are cheaper than buttons). 

 

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Well, here most reliable car brands were Toyota, Lexus and BMW.

Amusingly, Mercedes Benz was now 24th...

Also, full-electric cars were having reliability problems, most reliable were hybrids and middle-to-large sedans.

I have always liked Toyota and one my gf has is very good diesel one. Pity that price of fuel is so high...but, it is what it is.

I think I'll get Toyota Rav4 when I need a car...but it is quite expensive.

 

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20 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

Well, here most reliable car brands were Toyota, Lexus and BMW.

Amusingly, Mercedes Benz was now 24th...

Also, full-electric cars were having reliability problems, most reliable were hybrids and middle-to-large sedans.

I have always liked Toyota and one my gf has is very good diesel one. Pity that price of fuel is so high...but, it is what it is.

I think I'll get Toyota Rav4 when I need a car...but it is quite expensive.

 

The German cars aren’t necessarily unreliable (except for mid-2000s VWs sold in the US, they were awful). The bigger issue is that they cram so much tech in them now that there’s always something breaking, and the repairs are super expensive. 

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5 minutes ago, Angrybk said:

The German cars aren’t necessarily unreliable (except for mid-2000s VWs sold in the US, they were awful). The bigger issue is that they cram so much tech in them now that there’s always something breaking, and the repairs are super expensive. 

That is really big problem with some brands. 

Repairs for BMW or MB etc. are very expensive. But then, if having one, you can usually afford it (or you are kind of stupid to buy one if you cannot) :D

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3 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

That is really big problem with some brands. 

Repairs for BMW or MB etc. are very expensive. But then, if having one, you can usually afford it (or you are kind of stupid to buy one if you cannot) :D

Yeah I bought the BMW because 1) it was cheap as hell, relatively; 2) I work from home so won’t drive it all that much 3) whee, speedy car! Which was great until somebody broke the drivers side mirror while it was parked. $2500 to replace!

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I have the new 2nd Gen Honda Ridgeline. Bought it used for $30k with 30,000 miles on it. Makes a great traveling vehicle. Drives very nice, doesn't feel like you're driving a truck. 

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2 minutes ago, rmgill said:

I have the new 2nd Gen Honda Ridgeline. Bought it used for $30k with 30,000 miles on it. Makes a great traveling vehicle. Drives very nice, doesn't feel like you're driving a truck. 

New Ford Mavericks kinda seem like genius vehicles (omg, a truck that’s not the size of a house!) but the markups on them are insane. 

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For truck the size of a house I have the M35A2. I owned and M813A1 for a while, that was WAY too big. Getting under it was easy. Everything though was WAY too large. Even the brake drums needed a small jack to move. The M35 is a nice middle size. Only 14,000 lbs curb weight. 

 

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1 hour ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

currently the Toyota Camry is a good car for the money but if you can wait til next year your money will go A LOT further.

Honda accord is good too but not as good as it was.

63 Ford Galaxie is best choice of all

Used car prices are frivking insane right now. My 2014 BMW is actually selling now for more than I paid for it 4 years ago!

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On 11/18/2022 at 11:47 PM, Angrybk said:

Yeah I bought the BMW because 1) it was cheap as hell, relatively; 2) I work from home so won’t drive it all that much 3) whee, speedy car! Which was great until somebody broke the drivers side mirror while it was parked. $2500 to replace!

I know that feeling.

Someone (before I owned it) left the access cap off the headlight unit on my 2012 BMW 550i. It partially filled with water, just enough to soak the light control module and LED sidelight, etc. inserts circuit board connections, which rotted out both the circuit boards and the connectors.

Total replacement cost, £1600. I found the cap sitting on top of the front suspension turret, pinned there against the bonnet insulation for some time, so at least I didn't have to pay for one of those.

Right now, it's back from the shop having had a couple of oil hoses replaced which *might* fix the excessive oil consumption issue. Investigation costs and fixing those hoses, with discounted "vintage BMW" dealer rates - £1560.

With those fixed, it's still worth what I bought it for nearly 3 years ago (although it's difficult to tell, the 550i is rocking horse poo around these parts.)

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I'm about to buy a new car, which I anticipate will be as much fun as getting a tooth pulled. I'm planning on getting a Subaru Forester. My last one lasted 17 years with no issues other than having to replace a cracked windshield and a battery. I'm hoping my next one will do the same.

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I have sold 2016. dated car (Toyota Corolla) for almost more then I bought it in 2018. and I am back again (3rd time :)to 2003. Opel Astra G. Showed itself as super reliable (250k kms, never had major issue), relatively low fuel consumption even compared with newer cars and repairs (mostly regular maintenance, again, reliable) are super cheap. Since I drive way less than before and I don't need anything bigger (it is 3-door version) I am quite happy with it and will probably use it as long as it does not experience major faults.

OTOH I see a car as "just a tool", so as long as it rolls...

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Luckily I had the advantage of seeing a friend buy a BMW during student years and then pay the repair bills so knew to avoid the same... 

Been pretty happy with Skoda Octavia for last 8 years, from the "just a tool" perspective anyway. Minor drawback for Finnish climate is that it turns out the instrument panel electronics self-destruct with some non-zero probability every time you drive it from very cold temperature to warm garage and out again (950 EUR + work when that happens....) but other than that, great car, plenty of trunk space, good fuel economy. And starts reliably no matter how cold so no need to melt it before April, anyway.... 

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My truck, nice looking, 2004 GMC Canyon 4x4, 200,000 miles, trouble-free except normal maintenance.

One small problem - it is unsafe to drive.

 I noticed last week it was pulling to right in normal driving. Took it to a good local truck garage, I’ve known them for years. A quick look revealed some frame rust on the drivers side ahead of the rear axle. Went to put it up on a frame lift to get a better look.
When they went to position the lift pads they found the frame rusted so badly the spring hanger was pushed up about 3 inches into the frame rail and the frame was so rotted they were afraid to lift the truck as there was good possibility it would buckle, as in folding the truck in half…

Replacing the frame is the only solution - not cost effective.

For those of you not living in the snow areas of the US the road departments spread copious amounts salt on the roads at the slightest hint of snow resulting in rusted vehicles.

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On 11/19/2022 at 2:34 PM, Angrybk said:

Used car prices are frivking insane right now. My 2014 BMW is actually selling now for more than I paid for it 4 years ago!

No kidding. My '15 Elantra was $12K when I bought it in '16. It is now worth $15k. It is the cold/bad weather vehicle as the Harley gets riden when the weather is nice.

Never understood people who buy trucks but never use them as trucks.

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My 2016 Ram got t boned by some dirt world cabbie who ran a red light 2 winters ago,  hit right on the rear axle.  I did a full 360 and wound up 200 ft further down my path of travel.   There was actually an ambulance that was stopped at the intersection and witnessed the entire thing, it was terribly unfortunate.  Anyhow, my insurance (you thought taxi insurance, ha you're funny) replaced the axle, and entire frame and a side of the bed, and some minor stuff.  It's actually not a big deal, it's just labor expensive.  Being in the auto industry, I've known guys with their own garages who have done it in a full day's work.  Roll it, lift everything off, roll a new frame under and set it back down.  

Obviously, this is contingent on cheap labor, which is gone, and good riddance or valuable equipment, which is a rising tide.  S/F....Ken M  

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Not marks I am fully awar of but good to drive and cost effective the Kia and Hyundai brands are well respected.  Here in the UK they have very good reputations versus the european brands.

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The Kia's are popular with the bottom tier consumers, because they're cheap, which leads to a reputation for maintenance and durability issues.  Hard to ascertain the facts behind this, but Kia and early gen Hyundai engines have a reputation for marginal design within the engine builder world.  Typically hear that they built for larger horsepower numbers, which compromised routine drivability.  S/F....Ken M

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I've got a 2009 Alfa Romeo 159, my second one, love them to bits, massively under apricated and well the prettiest station waggon ever made - sorry there is no argument, anyone who disagrees is just wrong.  That said, if I don't need the extra lift I take my bike, more fun, less cost.
 
For new wheels, a hybrid Toyota or Lexus, pick a model to taste, budget and use, but atm everyone I know in the industry is giving the same advice whoever they actually work for. 

The Hyundai engines I had a very minor role in building were absolutely identical to the engines and parts coming off the same line for GM - first quality parts went to GM Europe, second best to GM in America and the lowest third to Korea. In theory there was no difference between the GM pools, but American GM didn't want us to fettle any of the castings, so we didn't see the point in giving them the good stuff if they were going to let the engine de-flash itself when first started. :) 
 

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Have four drivers in my house (two are sons), so four cars...  

My wife has a 2011 335i convertible -- lots of fun, very low mileage, but every repair is a bastard.

I have a 2018 Challenger 392 RT Scat Pack -- my 2nd Challenger (previous was 2009 RT), and the difference between the early models is stunning.  No longer drives like its primary objective is to kill you.  Got it during that brief fire-sale for used cars in March and April 2020, at a price I will never see again, with 1,100 miles on it.  High gas prices = not my friend.  Still, it never fails to put a smile on my face.   My sons and I messed with air intake and some other bits, have it up over 500 hp and about 500 ft lbs of torque... now I have more torque than tires.  I'm working on that...  new wheels/tires at some point (probably summer-only ones, which will work for 6 months a year in Virginia)

Sons drive cars out of the family pool -- 2015 Grand Cherokee and 2015 Dodge Durango Citadel (with the 5.7L hemi -- a must have).  Quite like both.

In general, I'm quite happy with the current cars, and particularly given car prices right now, not considering any changes.

However, in the long run, have my eye on the Jeep Wrangler 4xe.  Couple of friends have them, and love 'em.

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I must be low end here.  I have a nine year old Mazda 2, with only 24k (kilometres) on the clock, so just 16,000 miles.  I don't drive much.  When I have to replace tyres it is because of the age of the tyres (going hard, etc) not the wear.  After my wife passed I thought of getting a new car - a Mazda CX3 - which is basically a Mazda 2 with a slight SVU type body and a slightly larger engine - 2l instead of 1500cc.   The only advantage is that it would be a bit easier to get my decrepit and cranky old body into and out of. 

I don't drive far, and due to medical shyte I can basically only sit behind a wheel for an hour or so without an hour's walking and resting before driving home.
 

On the other hand, the car being of Nippon means that it is EXTREMELY cheap to maintain.  An equivalent VW or Audi ( the new Volvo here) would have cost around $4000 or more so far in basic scheduled maintenance, and my maintenance guy warned me against even thinking of going Euro.

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8 hours ago, EchoFiveMike said:

The Kia's are popular with the bottom tier consumers, because they're cheap, which leads to a reputation for maintenance and durability issues.  Hard to ascertain the facts behind this, but Kia and early gen Hyundai engines have a reputation for marginal design within the engine builder world.  Typically hear that they built for larger horsepower numbers, which compromised routine drivability.  S/F....Ken M

Last year, according to a Kia dealership repairman, he would not buy a Kia due to reliability issues. 

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I had a wonderful '98 Escort.  Got it for cheap back in my military days and it was still going strong.  Great gas mileage and low repair costs (in over a decade I think I spent less than $500 on all repairs).  Only downside was the size (I'm a decently tall guy... was kind of amusing seeing me get in and out of it).  Notice this is all in past tense... as a few years ago an entitled asshat from Scottsdale who didn't think the rules of the road applied to him totaled that car (thankfully I walked away without a scratch).

After that experience and coupled to changing driving patterns out here in general and where I live (Scottsdale has a lot of residents who can afford to be in accidents... and it shows) my brother helped me pick up a cheap '98 F-150.  No issues other than it's old and a bit worn out.  Was always meant to be a temporary vehicle... and then COVID hit.

I want to get a newer model F-150 (my bro recommends a 4x4 V8) but there aren't ever any used ones.  New ones are stupidly expensive even beyond the fact buying new is always a bad idea.  My latest plan is with the seemingly looming recession maybe prices will come down when/if that hits.  I can, in theory, keep driving this beater F-150 for a while (I'd just rather not).

I really want to stick with a truck for a variety of reasons.  I've fallen in love with nature and want something that can go long distance and anywhere off road (my beater has no chance of doing either).  There's also safety reasons (I'll eat the gas costs since I don't really drive much).  Drivers have just gotten that bad out here... and if there's ever another accident I want to make sure I'm walking away from it.  A larger vehicle, from experience, also seems to reduce the chances of said accident happening in the first place.  It was night/day in how other drivers reacted to me going from my Escort to the F-150 (I've seen countless examples where they clearly let up/didn't pull out/etc. in my truck whereas in the same situation in my car they would have).  Just sad and scary how entitled and dangerous other motorists have become. 

Hell, it's even bad when I'm walking.  There's a shopping center near my apartment that I walk to 3-4 times a week.  I have to cross a major intersection to get to it and I'm almost hit by a vehicle at least once a week when doing so.  :blink:  The last time that happened I was waiting for the green walk sign.  It lights up, it's clear to go, so I start to cross.  Suddenly in my peripheral vision I see movement.  I stop... and a speeding SUV turns right in front of me.  The driver was clearly visible with their face buried in their phone not paying attention.  I was pissed and without even thinking slammed my bag of groceries into the side of the vehicle... and the prick honked at me.  :huh:

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