War in Ukraine, technical and military aspects only

[TrustMe]

49 minutes ago, JWB said:

Poland is the 21st wealthiest nation.

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

Why would that remind you of Iran and the Shah?

 

When you go on a massive military build up it raises the question of what it should be used for. In such a case the politicans tend to start using the military for adventures around the globe.

I'm a big fan of the Arab-Israeli wars and inter-Arab wars. This is a classic example of how these countries build up massive militaries then they tend to use them to attack each other, usually the fight goes completely out of the leaders control and they get punished for it. A classic example is the Iran-Iraq war. 

Edited November 16, 2025 by TrustMe

[sunday]

3 hours ago, urbanoid said:

The 'deep principle' is that the Russian Empire/USSR 2.0 hybrid shouldn't be restored, so pro-Ukrainian stance is a default one for us, whatever Ukraine is or would or could be. It doesn't matter whether they're corrupt or perform human sacrifice the Aztec way, that's not the point.

Thank you for your sincerity.

[Stefan Kotsch]

44 minutes ago, TrustMe said:

1 hour ago, JWB said:

Poland is the 21st wealthiest nation.

...

When you go on a massive military build up it raises the question of what it should be used for. In such a case the politicans tend to start using the military for adventures around the globe.

One must not forget that Poland has been pushed around by its neighbors Russia and Germany for centuries, arbitrarily dismembered and subjected to tyranny. This shapes a nation for a very long time. Ukrainians have also never forgotten how the Kremlin treated them.

[X-Files]

1 hour ago, bojan said:

Victim of "museum restoration":

"Vehicle should have gun"

"We don't have original gun"

"Put something that looks like gun, even piece of pipe will do or find any gun that fits"

"Yes".

 

 

Hmm. I'll take 'Victim of Beutepanzer logistics':

"Vehicle gun needs ammo"

"We don't have any more ammo"

"Put something we do have ammo for..."

"Yes".

Occam's Razor, Burma Shave

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

One must not forget that Poland has been pushed around by its neighbors Russia and Germany for centuries, arbitrarily dismembered and subjected to tyranny. 

Poland pushed around by Germany for centuries? I'm sorry but Germany as we know it (as united stste) was created relatively late 

There is, in political geography, no Germany proper to speak of. There are Kingdoms and Grand Duchies, and Duchies and Principalities, inhabited by Germans, and each [is] separately ruled by an independent sovereign with all the machinery of State. Yet there is a natural undercurrent tending to a national feeling and toward a union of the Germans into one great nation, ruled by one common head as a national unit.

— article from The New York Times published on July 1, 1866[87] ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Germany?ysclid=mi257h6xdq683819095 )

    By the time Germany was finally created, historic Poland was long since gone into political oblivion and dreams of Polish nationalists (sometimes resulting in great literature, like books by Henrick Sienkiewicz who was, surprise, corresponding member (since 1896) and Honorary academician (since 1914) of the Imperial Saint Petersburg Academy of Sciences in the department of Russian language and Literature).

    The same is true about "Poland has been pushed around by .....Russia ..... for centuries". Ironically, it was Poland, for geographic reasons better insulated from waves of Nomads from Eurasian steppes, the force that dominated this territory. Do you understand Vyazma, 200km west from Moscow, was borderline city, as Smolensk was allready in hands of Poland? Do you understand that Kiev was BOUGHT back from Poland in 1686,  almost 50 years after Russians have reached Pacific ocean 7 timezones away (in 1639)?    In fact, Poland was initially in better position to become superpower - but, as i have repeatedly said, local nobiles have ruined own country and erased it from map. Modern Poland is even newer then modern Germany.....

[sunday]

Oh, come on, Prussia is a antecessor state of Germany.

[Roman Alymov]

Another "tactical donkey"  - used to deliver 120mm mortar mines through forest trails https://t.me/milinfolive/160668

[Roman Alymov]

1 minute ago, sunday said:

Oh, come on, Prussia is a antecessor state of Germany.

I'm not sure to what extent you are familiar with history of our barbaric places  - it might be curious for you to learn that Prussia was vassal of Poland

Treaty of Bromberg - Wikipedia

    Actually the history of Poland is remarkable story of relatively quick degradation of de-facto regioinal superpower into nothing.

[Roman Alymov]

3 hours ago, TrustMe said:

I'm a big fan of the Arab-Israeli wars and inter-Arab wars. This is a classic example of how these countries build up massive militaries then they tend to use them to attack each other, usually the fight goes completely out of the leaders control and they get punished for it. A classic example is the Iran-Iraq war. 

Iran is not Arab country at all (as well as Turkey by the way).

[sunday]

33 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

I'm not sure to what extent you are familiar with history of our barbaric places  - it might be curious for you to learn that Prussia was vassal of Poland

Treaty of Bromberg - Wikipedia

    Actually the history of Poland is remarkable story of relatively quick degradation of de-facto regioinal superpower into nothing.

I know of Royal Prussia and Ducal Prussia.

Also it is quite irrelevant in this context.

[Roman Alymov]

3 hours ago, bojan said:

Victim of "museum restoration":

"Vehicle should have gun"

"We don't have original gun"

"Put something that looks like gun, even piece of pipe will do or find any gun that fits"

"Yes".

 

I would call that "military restoration". Many vehicles in old Kubinka were victims of this sort of "restoration" in 1960th.

"What this bracket is for?  - To carry spare roadwheel - Where is the spare roadwheel? - We do not have one  - Then cut this bracket away, to avoid General asking the question"

Edited November 16, 2025 by Roman Alymov

[Roman Alymov]

Just now, sunday said:

I know of Royal Prussia and Ducal Prussia.

Also it is quite irrelevant in this context.

Quite relevant as for me - since it is showing the history more complex then it is usually displayed. 

[Yama]

2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Poland pushed around by Germany for centuries? I'm sorry but Germany as we know it (as united stste) was created relatively late... 

And it's still not united, if one considers Austrians, Swiss German and Liechtensteiners etc. as "German"...

They seem to be fine with that state of affairs, maybe Russians should take note. 

[Roman Alymov]

6 hours ago, Yama said:

And it's still not united, if one considers Austrians, Swiss German and Liechtensteiners etc. as "German"...

They seem to be fine with that state of affairs, maybe Russians should take note. 

   There are still people alive who remember Germany and Austria united (under the leadership of Austrian-born person, by the way) with inclusion of Germans living in other nearby places. Who knows what we will see in future? 

    By the way why do you think Russians should not take note of, for example, Bavaria becoming part of united Germany despite of centuries of separate history, language and culture differencies etc.?

[Markus Becker]

12 hours ago, TrustMe said:

When you go on a massive military build up it raises the question of what it should be used for. In such a case the politicans tend to start using the military for adventures around the globe.

 

Well, if you have neo imperialist Russia to one side and countries like Germany who are incapable and/or unwilling to contribute to collective defense on the other, it's pretty obvious what the Polish military is going to be used for. 

[Markus Becker]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

 By the way why do you think Russians should not take note of, for example, Bavaria becoming part of united Germany despite of centuries of separate history, language and culture differencies etc.?

The analogy is a bit off. 

Germany might not have existed as a unified and sovereign nation state but the idea that Bavaria, Prussia, East Frisia ect were parts of the same ethnic, cultural entity was never disputed by anyone. 

And then there's the HRE, a loose confederation of German states. 

[seahawk]

And that is the same with the Ukraine. They are also part of the Russian ethnic and cultural entity. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

And that is the same with the Ukraine. They are also part of the Russian ethnic and cultural entity. 

In the same way a husband holds a shotgun to his abused wife and telling them they will always be together. I recognise the signals, its the same way Britain tried to hold onto Ireland.

[Roman Alymov]

FPVs vs. French Caeser wheeled SPG, note how first drone is used to ckear the way through nets to get inside the shelter https://t.me/boris_rozhin/187332

[Roman Alymov]

Counter battery (actually, the word "battery" is increasingly irrelevant since guns do not operate in batteries anymore) in urban conditions, Konstantinovka https://t.me/creamy_caprice/10553?single

[TrustMe]

3 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

 

Well, if you have neo imperialist Russia to one side and countries like Germany who are incapable and/or unwilling to contribute to collective defense on the other, it's pretty obvious what the Polish military is going to be used for. 

 

Trust me, that whenever the next war comes along Poland will create an expeditionary force and fight in it.

[Markus Becker]

Well, they have participated in operations overseas in the past. Several times IIRC. 

[bojan]

5 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

...And then there's the HRE, a loose confederation of German states. 

That HRE that had 30 years war, where protestant faction was supported by various foreign countries, like France, England, Swedes, Danmark-Norway, Dutch and Ottomans? 

[TrustMe]

1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

Well, they have participated in operations overseas in the past. Several times IIRC. 

War on terror or special forces? true. But no serious mechanized warfare on a country attacks a country basis.

[urbanoid]

3 hours ago, TrustMe said:

Trust me, that whenever the next war comes along Poland will create an expeditionary force and fight in it.

You're still thinking as if we were in the 'end of history' period and 2014 and 2022 didn't happen. 

The better analogy would be a Cold War 2.0 in which Poland is functionally West Germany, preparing to stop the Red Horde™ if it tries to move westwards.

I don't expect any 'nation-building COIN bullshit' anytime soon, like in Afganistan or Iraq in which Poland did take part, though indeed not as a 'serious mechanized' force. If you can even think of an 'expeditionary war' that could see substantial Polish participation then please give examples, I can't think of any. I don't think our shiny new tanks are going to be needed in what's expected to be a primarily air-naval fight between the US&Co and Chynah in the Far East in any case, not that they would even get there on time.