Roman Alymov Posted March 28 Posted March 28 45 minutes ago, JWB said: The cat and mouse game continues............. Western news, always late. Drones with frequencies switched in flight (or controlled via two or more frequencies) are in use for at least a year by both sides (as it is just Made-in-China equipment option, not some sort of technological breakthrough).
JWB Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Drones with frequencies switched in flight .... I think these new versions do it automatically instead of operator having to do it manually.
Roman Alymov Posted March 28 Posted March 28 19 minutes ago, JWB said: I think these new versions do it automatically instead of operator having to do it manually. It is just version of software uploaded to the drone and control panel, no hitech magic.
Roman Alymov Posted March 28 Posted March 28 FiberFPVs actrions from roadside ambush positions https://t.me/epoddubny/22955
alejandro_ Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Interview with a Russian soldier: https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1905611390792220801
RETAC21 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said: It is just version of software uploaded to the drone and control panel, no hitech magic. If the drones are using frequency hopping, then they become nearly un-jammable
Roman Alymov Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, RETAC21 said: If the drones are using frequency hopping, then they become nearly un-jammable Yes, but technology discussed above is not frequency hopping - but just using standard hobby-grade Made-in-China devices. Another question is, if this war continues, producers in China will flood the market with reletively cheap frequency hopping sets, adding to troubles of "white men" as it will give high-precision non-LOS capability of every high school student on the planet.
alejandro_ Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/27/2025 at 8:14 PM, Stuart Galbraith said: This was interesting. https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1905327135805341749?t=Y3J5ZG6VtjgIWrEj4oBRFw&s=19 Interesting, I am not sure if photo is for illustration but it seems in very good condition considering some of the ammunition the Syrian Armed Forces were using (remember the rusty aircraft bombs).
Roman Alymov Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Episode of Desertcross-1000 ATV use https://t.me/milinfolive/145140
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 29 Posted March 29 12 hours ago, alejandro_ said: Interesting, I am not sure if photo is for illustration but it seems in very good condition considering some of the ammunition the Syrian Armed Forces were using (remember the rusty aircraft bombs). I idly wonder if it was stuff the Russians left behind. There is some chaos withdrawing their material at the moment as you know.
glenn239 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 19 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: FiberFPVs actrions from roadside ambush positions https://t.me/epoddubny/22955 I assume the tactics with road nets are that the drones will blow a hole in the net in a pre-determined location so that other drones can then get inside the net tunnel using the gap created?
JWB Posted March 29 Posted March 29 22 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: It is just version of software uploaded to the drone and control panel, no hitech magic. In the USA those modifications could qualify it as a new system.
MiGG0 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) Arena-M on T-90M (still in Russian proving grounds): https://t.me/milinfolive/145161 Soon we can start to quess how long it takes that we see first destroyed by FPV drone? There are rumors of RUS starting general offensive somepoint in spring or early summer. Maybe Arena-M sees deput in there? Edited March 30 by MiGG0
MiGG0 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 14 hours ago, MiGG0 said: Arena-M on T-90M (still in Russian proving grounds): https://t.me/milinfolive/145161 Soon we can start to quess how long it takes that we see first destroyed by FPV drone? There are rumors of RUS starting general offensive somepoint in spring or early summer. Maybe Arena-M sees deput in there? About same thing in X (seems to work against Javelin in test): https://x.com/Volke__/status/1906043939045470482 Edited March 30 by MiGG0
Stefan Kotsch Posted March 30 Posted March 30 2 hours ago, MiGG0 said: About same thing in X (seems to work against Javelin in test): That the Arena-M works successfully, that has been told us again and again for years. Except the advertising videos, however, it has not yet been seen.
MiGG0 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said: That the Arena-M works successfully, that has been told us again and again for years. Except the advertising videos, however, it has not yet been seen. Yes, thats why I was wondering do we see it finally in rumored spring attack. Also I think RUS delayed it for improving it against top attack missiles (and now we have some proof it will work against top attack missiles) and drones, but who knows... Edited March 30 by MiGG0
Roman Alymov Posted March 30 Posted March 30 18 minutes ago, MiGG0 said: Yes, thats why I was wondering do we see it finally in rumored spring attack. Also I think RUS delayed it for improving it against top attack missiles (and now we have some proof it will work against top attack missiles) and drones, but who knows... It can't work against drones - all this active protection measures are designed in old concept of protecting the tank for a short time it takes to cross enemy defence zone (at most 5 km wide) and reaching the enemy position, while targeted by 1-2-3 ATGM missiles in process. Present day reality is the tank column (or individual tank) will have to cross at least 20 km of active drone operation zone, with dozens if not hundreds of attacks by FPV drones, with operators able to hit repeatedly into the same sector. How many attacks into, for example, turret upper rear right sector would "traditional" active defence withstand before becoming just useless boxes of complex electronics attached to empty launchers?
MiGG0 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: It can't work against drones - all this active protection measures are designed in old concept of protecting the tank for a short time it takes to cross enemy defence zone (at most 5 km wide) and reaching the enemy position, while targeted by 1-2-3 ATGM missiles in process. Present day reality is the tank column (or individual tank) will have to cross at least 20 km of active drone operation zone, with dozens if not hundreds of attacks by FPV drones, with operators able to hit repeatedly into the same sector. How many attacks into, for example, turret upper rear right sector would "traditional" active defence withstand before becoming just useless boxes of complex electronics attached to empty launchers? Thats why I mentioned "Soon we can start to quess how long it takes that we see first destroyed by FPV drone?" in first post about this. All APS system can be saturated with just more drones... That said it is still not totally useless. It will increase amount of drones (and time) to take out, for example, company of tanks. Just for argument sake. There is 100 drones for defender. EW takes out of those 70-80 (if reports are correct of their effectiveness). So you have left 20-30 that APS needs to defend against. Now those can saturate APS if constantly hitting same tank and same sector, but in chaos of battle can drone operators keep accurate track of that? Can APS detect drones early engough and turn turret sector that still has incetors to drones? Maybe maybe not. But if they attack different tanks and different sectors those 20-30 is not enought anymore. Edited March 30 by MiGG0
Roman Alymov Posted March 30 Posted March 30 48 minutes ago, MiGG0 said: Thats why I mentioned "Soon we can start to quess how long it takes that we see first destroyed by FPV drone?" in first post about this. All APS system can be saturated with just more drones... That said it is still not totally useless. It will increase amount of drones (and time) to take out, for example, company of tanks. Simple "barn" made out of scrap metal and mounted on top of the tank is doing the same for a fraction of cost and is more reliable.
MiGG0 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Simple "barn" made out of scrap metal and mounted on top of the tank is doing the same for a fraction of cost and is more reliable. Against drones yes, but not that well against ATGMs and virtually making said tank "blind" everything else and unable to use its main gun only to forward sector. What i see those "barn" tanks are used usually as minefield breachers. Edited March 30 by MiGG0
Roman Alymov Posted March 30 Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, MiGG0 said: Against drones yes, but not that well against ATGMs and virtually making said tank "blind" everything else and unable to use its main gun only to forward sector. What i see those "barn" tanks are used usually as minefield breachers. ATGMs and direct tank fire are almost as rare now as knife fights between infantry....
MiGG0 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: ATGMs and direct tank fire are almost as rare now as knife fights between infantry.... True but you still see ATGM video time to time from both sides (probelm is that there is no safe positions to operate them... because of drones) and it still not invalidate my points. "Barn" tanks biggest problem is that they are pretty much useless everything else expect clearng minefields for rest of "barn" infantry carriers. BTW you could theorethically install APS over barn cage and having even more resistance for drones (but they still could be saturated)... Edited March 30 by MiGG0
Roman Alymov Posted March 30 Posted March 30 2 hours ago, MiGG0 said: True but you still see ATGM video time to time from both sides Yes, and knife fights are also happening from time to time. By the way here is the video of Ka-52 crew firing ATGM at some sort of warm vehicle covered in barn/workshop building https://t.me/boris_rozhin/159690 2 hours ago, MiGG0 said: "Barn" tanks biggest problem is that they are pretty much useless everything else expect clearng minefields for rest of "barn" infantry carriers. In present-day reality it is enough in 90% if not 99% cases. No more enemy tanks waiting in ambush or ciunterattacking - as they would be detected by drones.... 2 hours ago, MiGG0 said: BTW you could theorethically install APS over barn cage and having even more resistance for drones (but they still could be saturated)... Now, EW antennas are installed on top of "barns" (to avoid radiation screened by "barn")
JWB Posted March 30 Posted March 30 https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1906340636493578750 More Russian fighters are complaining: they’re treated as "cannon fodder" in a hopeless situation. Families appealed to authorities but got only empty responses. The fighters also report beatings and threats at their unit.
MiGG0 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said: Yes, and knife fights are also happening from time to time. By the way here is the video of Ka-52 crew firing ATGM at some sort of warm vehicle covered in barn/workshop building https://t.me/boris_rozhin/159690 In present-day reality it is enough in 90% if not 99% cases. No more enemy tanks waiting in ambush or ciunterattacking - as they would be detected by drones.... Now, EW antennas are installed on top of "barns" (to avoid radiation screened by "barn") So we do agree overall. APS is somewhat usefull, but MBT role overall is quite dead. "Barn" tanks can have EW and APS (as can MBT, but their role has been basically over)
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