War in Ukraine, technical and military aspects only

[KV7]

25 minutes ago, alejandro_ said:

For example, the Iranian 155-mm HM-41 with a barrel length of 39 calibers and a charging chamber of 18 liters, completely produced in Iran, has a firing range of conventional HE shells up to 22 km, and ARS up to 30 km. Iran also produces rounds for the HM-41 (https://t.me/milinfolive/126177?single) itself, including the high-precision guided Basir (https://t.me/milinfolive/126252?single).

Though unlikely, there are other 155mm systems Russia could import, such as AH-2, which apparently can fire out to 53km with RAP.

[Josh]

11 hours ago, glenn239 said:

It seems to vary between smoked SAM batteries and entire salvos shot down....

We have no solid numbers on either. There are definitely dead SAM batteries, but even then we do not explicitly know they were ATACMS casualties.

[alejandro_]

T-62 knocked out in Myroliubivka, Kherson region, november 2022.

[glenn239]

8 hours ago, Josh said:

We have no solid numbers on either. There are definitely dead SAM batteries, but even then we do not explicitly know they were ATACMS casualties.

The Russians occasionally note the destruction of large numbers of HIMARS in their daily briefs, up to a dozen type thing.   They never list equipment destroyed by HIMARS.

Edited September 6 by glenn239

[Josh]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

The Russians occasionally note the destruction of large numbers of HIMARS in their daily briefs, up to a dozen type thing.   They never list equipment destroyed by HIMARS.

How surprising!

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

How surprising!

Not at all.  Generals who accurately list their own losses would be complete idiots.  Only if a war is really one-sided is that luxury affordable.

[Roman Alymov]

  Another conversion of T-72 into barn-tank (or rather barn-APC since turret is reportedly removed). Note "ski-jump" to assist infantry in quick dismount https://t.me/infomil_live/9847

[urbanoid]

12 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

  Another conversion of T-72 into barn-tank (or rather barn-APC since turret is reportedly removed). Note "ski-jump" to assist infantry in quick dismount https://t.me/infomil_live/9847

Barnsporter?

[Stuart Galbraith]

How Russia handles the drone threat.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Is this Himars?

 

[old_goat]

On 9/6/2024 at 12:52 AM, KV7 said:

Though unlikely, there are other 155mm systems Russia could import, such as AH-2, which apparently can fire out to 53km with RAP.

It is true that D20/2S3/2S19 are inferior to western systems in range, but I think there is no need for 155mm guns for Russia. First, there is the new Koalitsiya. Second, they already have a high performance gun, the Giatsint. In its current form, its obsolete. But I think there is still potential in it. It needs new ammo, modern communications/navigation equipment, and maybe it would be even possible to create some kind of FCS for it. 

 

[KV7]

8 hours ago, old_goat said:

It is true that D20/2S3/2S19 are inferior to western systems in range, but I think there is no need for 155mm guns for Russia. First, there is the new Koalitsiya. Second, they already have a high performance gun, the Giatsint. In its current form, its obsolete. But I think there is still potential in it. It needs new ammo, modern communications/navigation equipment, and maybe it would be even possible to create some kind of FCS for it. 

 

The argument in the OP discussion is not that 155 is better than 152mm, but that 155mm systems are more available on the export market, then by adopting 155mm alongside 152mm, they can cover any shortfalls with imports.

AH-2 is Chinese, though a development of GH N-45 with a longer barrel. China also already has 152 and 155mm guns in service.

 

[alejandro_]

On 9/7/2024 at 3:32 PM, old_goat said:

It is true that D20/2S3/2S19 are inferior to western systems in range, but I think there is no need for 155mm guns for Russia. First, there is the new Koalitsiya. Second, they already have a high performance gun, the Giatsint. In its current form, its obsolete. But I think there is still potential in it. It needs new ammo, modern communications/navigation equipment, and maybe it would be even possible to create some kind of FCS for it. 

 

It has been discussed in the forum before. 2S19 has a shorter range due to smaller volume chamber when compared to modern NATO. Giatsint is more comparable but for some reason it has not been acquired in large numbers or developed in new versions. 

As KV7 explains, the advantage of 155mm ammunition is that it's more common, and could be delivered quickly.

Japanese cammo in Ukraine:





https://x.com/ReddishCat1/status/1832873934359789588/photo/1

[crazyinsane105]

21 hours ago, KV7 said:

The argument in the OP discussion is not that 155 is better than 152mm, but that 155mm systems are more available on the export market, then by adopting 155mm alongside 152mm, they can cover any shortfalls with imports.

AH-2 is Chinese, though a development of GH N-45 with a longer barrel. China also already has 152 and 155mm guns in service.

 

But what nations friendly to Russia will starting selling it 155 mm? Beyond Iran, I can’t think of other countries. 

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said:

But what nations friendly to Russia will starting selling it 155 mm? Beyond Iran, I can’t think of other countries. 

There is no need for countries to be friendly to buy from them. Global market is hard to control, and people are greedy. So it is quite reasonable to have some 155mm guns to use 155mm ammo. It is not about total rearmament of Russian Army, but why not use oppotunities, especially when we have enough money to buy shells.

[MiGG0]

Other point is that buying 155mm from ”free market” is away from UKR.

[bojan]

11 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said:

But what nations friendly to Russia will starting selling it 155 mm? Beyond Iran, I can’t think of other countries. 

India. Indian 125mm tank shells were spotted on both sides in this war, and while those in Russian use might have been captured from Ukrainians, I have different suspicions.

[JWB]

I wonder if Ukraine is destroying bridges faster than Russia can deploy or build replacements?

 

[Soldier36]

Episode from the Ugledar direction. The video shows a Russian UAZ vehicle hitting a Ukrainian TM-62 anti-tank mine. Incredibly, everyone in the car survived.

 

 

[Roman Alymov]

4 minutes ago, JWB said:

I wonder if Ukraine is destroying bridges faster than Russia can deploy or build replacements?

 

Note Ukraine is also loosing bridges, not only in Sumy but also on other directions - one of two bridges in Pokrovsk bombed

https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/183755

Bridge ower Volchya river in Kharkov region bombed

https://t.me/milinfolive/130217

 

[Josh]

5 minutes ago, JWB said:

I wonder if Ukraine is destroying bridges faster than Russia can deploy or build replacements?

 

What I think is most notable about the bridge bombings and HIMARS losses is that I think the ZSU is using old short range cluster bomb rockets. That or the U.S. must have gifted most every cluster ATACMS in its stockpile. The latter is possible; all of those missiles likely needed to be demil’d or regrained, and in the latter case they are given a unitary warhead. Either way these weapons are very old U.S. stocks, but if old M26 rockets are being used that greatly exposes the launchers. That might be why we are seeing a big spike in HIMARS claims from the Russians: they really are killing more launchers as they get closer to the front.

[TonyE]

Two russian soldiers evading and fighting a drone (no fatalities or gore) :

 

[TrustMe]

That's just insane !!

[Yama]

Looked like they almost shot each other there. Guess they didn't have a shotgun. Not sure 2nd guy is unscathed, the drone blew up very close.

[Yama]

On 9/6/2024 at 8:42 PM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Is this Himars?

ATACMS maybe? Most trees are still upright, so it's a submunition shot of some kind. Or could be just good ol' regular rocket arty submunitions.