i did not name this thread The R E Lee on Sunday show, broadcast live from Burning Kiev

[R E lee]

The R E Lee on Sunday show, broadcast live from Burning Kiev

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https://www.kktv.com/2022/02/25/kiev-was-then-kyiv-is-now/

"In 2006, the Foreign Names Committee of the U.S. Board on Geographic Names approved the spelling Kyiv as the official standard for Ukraine’s capital. Then in 2019, the Associated Press updated its standards to correlate with the Ukrainian government’s preferred name and transliteration."

 

I suppose i can  start referring to the US , as still British colonies?😛
 

[R E lee]

15 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

Germany became German in 1871, Austria became German in 1938. Furthermore there used to be the thing called a Holy Roman Empire. 

Yes Germany was formed 1871. It became "The Reich" under AH, morphing into "Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation" as nations like Austria were annexed.

[Ssnake]

Austria-Hungary, and Mr. Hilter, share the same initials.

[R E lee]

14 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

Austria-Hungary, and Mr. Hilter, share the same initials.

AH ( who hated Chaplin) and C Chaplin  (  Jewish comedian

) share the same moustache. Some times its just coincidence, said A Hitchcock.

[johnthejock]

1 hour ago, R E lee said:

AH ( who hated Chaplin) and C Chaplin  (  Jewish comedian

) share the same moustache. Some times its just coincidence, said A Hitchcock.

He is only Jewish if you belive nazi propaganda, he was however a paedophile 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/may-put-you-off-chaplin-for-ever-the-real-charlie-chaplin-reviewed/

[R E lee]

20 minutes ago, johnthejock said:

He is only Jewish if you belive nazi propaganda, he was however a paedophile 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/may-put-you-off-chaplin-for-ever-the-real-charlie-chaplin-reviewed/

Only if you ignore the fact he was referred to as being Jewish decades, before the Nazis came to power.

[Rickard N]

what the  **** is this topic?

[sunday]

*** **********, and its consequences, mostly.

[johnthejock]

51 minutes ago, R E lee said:

Only if you ignore the fact he was referred to as being Jewish decades, before the Nazis came to power.

refered to and being are two different things

and no he was not, 

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/charlie-chaplin-israel-thornstein/story?id=15725232

https://www.jta.org/archive/einstein-says-chaplin-is-half-jewish-his-grandfather-was-a-jew

and a search would have shown you so 

[R E lee]

30 minutes ago, johnthejock said:

refered to and being are two different things

and no he was not, 

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/charlie-chaplin-israel-thornstein/story?id=15725232

https://www.jta.org/archive/einstein-says-chaplin-is-half-jewish-his-grandfather-was-a-jew

and a search would have shown you so 

Apparently your upset that you were wrong as to when he was widely known as being Jewish, as opposed to after being dead, people claiming he was not*.

 lets look at Link one.The story about a French birthplace apparently originated with a film magazine article from the 1910s that said Chaplin was born while his mother was on tour near Paris. Rumors that Chaplin was Jewish became widespread after "The Great Dictator," in which Chaplin portrayed both a Jewish barber and Hitler-esque despot. Chaplin did little to correct the record. 

Link 2 " Professor Einstein, who spent several days with Charlie Chaplin at his home in Hollywood, told the J.T.A. here before he sailed for New York on his return to Europe that Chaplin is a half-Jew, his grandfather having been a Jew.The legend that Charlie Chaplin was a Jew was widely held at one time. Israel Zangwill accepted him as such in some of his essays on the Jewish question.

Link 3 which you failed to provide " "It  is  said  that  Chaplin  is  Jewish.  That  is the  truth,  and  I  have  never  denied it" C Chaplain.

 

Perhaps take your own advice?

Edited November 15, 2022 by R E lee

[sunday]

2 minutes ago, R E lee said:

Apparently your upset that you were wrong as to when he was widely known as being Jewish, as opposed to after being dead, people claiming he was not*.

 lets look at Link one.The story about a French birthplace apparently originated with a film magazine article from the 1910s that said Chaplin was born while his mother was on tour near Paris. Rumors that Chaplin was Jewish became widespread after "The Great Dictator," in which Chaplin portrayed both a Jewish barber and Hitler-esque despot. Chaplin did little to correct the record. 

Link 2 " Professor Einstein, who spent several days with Charlie Chaplin at his home in Hollywood, told the J.T.A. here before he sailed for New York on his return to Europe that Chaplin is a half-Jew, his grandfather having been a Jew.The legend that Charlie Chaplin was a Jew was widely held at one time. Israel Zangwill accepted him as such in some of his essays on the Jewish question.

Link 3 which you failed to provide " "It  is  said  that  Chaplin  is  Jewish.  That  is the  truth,  and  I  have  never  denied it" C Chaplain.

 

Perhaps take your own advice?

 

[johnthejock]

1 hour ago, R E lee said:

Apparently your upset that you were wrong as to when he was widely known as being Jewish, as opposed to after being dead, people claiming he was not*.

 the MI5 was not able to resolve suspicions about the place of Chaplin's birth. The agency could not find any records of the actor's birth in England under either name. It also said there was "no evidence that Chaplin's name is or ever has been Israel Thornstein," or that he had been born in France. While a Washington-based MI5 liaison officer determined that Chaplin had given funds to "communist front organizations," the agency also found no reason to believe he was a spy.

"It is curious that we can find no record of Chaplin's birth, but I scarcely think that this is of any security significance" wrote John Marriott, the head of MI5's counter-subversion branch, in 1952.

Film historian Matthew Sweet told the AP that rumors about Chaplin's biography had been circulating well before the McCarthy era. The story about a French birthplace apparently originated with a film magazine article from the 1910s that said Chaplin was born while his mother was on tour near Paris. Rumors that Chaplin was Jewish became widespread after "The Great Dictator," in which Chaplin portrayed both a Jewish barber and Hitler-esque despot. Chaplin did little to correct the record.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/charlie-chaplin-israel-thornstein/story?id=15725232

He wasnt dead in 1952

And you nicely pick and choose what you use

 "The French antisemitic novelists, the brothers Thardieu, have published a book on Chaplin based on the belief that he is a Jew, describing his mannerisms as typical expressions of Jewish characteristics, and making much of his habit of always keeping his hat on.

There does not seem to be any ground, however, for the belief, and nothing is known in London, where he was born and spent his early life, which would bear it out. Mr. Hannen Sweffer, the well known London theatrical and film critic, said in one of his recent books that when a report in an American paper was brought to Chaplin’s notice, in which he was spoken of as a Jew, and he was asked to deny the assertion, he replied that there were many Jews in America who might like to think he was. Konrad Bercovici, the well known Jewish novelist of gypsy life, who is a friend of Chaplin’s, describing a visit he paid to Chaplin’s home in Hollywood recently, revealed that Chaplin’s is a gypsy on his mother’s side. When I was born, he quotes him as saying, all my mother’s relatives arrived in caravan waggons from all over. It was a complete give-away for mother, who had kept her origin secret."

https://www.jta.org/archive/einstein-says-chaplin-is-half-jewish-his-grandfather-was-a-jew

I never stated that he was not refered to, it was substantially undertaken by anti-semites and nazis 

Perhaps it was more acceptable to be jewish than gypsy in hollywood at that time but that is mere conjecture.

He was an Anglican by religion 

https://hollowverse.com/charlie-chaplin

Despite asking for an Anglican funeral, Chaplin appeared to be agnostic. In his autobiography he wrote, "I am not religious in the dogmatic sense ... I neither believe nor disbelieve in anything ... My faith is in the unknown, in all that we do not understand by reason; I believe that ... in the realm of the unknown there is an infinite power for good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin exact reference 

Chaplin, Charles (2003) [1964]. My Autobiography. London: Penguin Classics  p. 287.

It was you who stated he was Jewish then you changed your view to 'refered to'  my issue is you were incorrect about him being Jewish, please do not keep changing the goalposts or use of similar rhetorical techniques as you demean  both your discussion and yourself in doing so

4 hours ago, R E lee said:

H ( who hated Chaplin) and C Chaplin  (  Jewish comedian

And none of this stops him being a paedophile 

 

 

[NickM]

2 hours ago, johnthejock said:

refered to and being are two different things

and no he was not, 

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/charlie-chaplin-israel-thornstein/story?id=15725232

https://www.jta.org/archive/einstein-says-chaplin-is-half-jewish-his-grandfather-was-a-jew

and a search would have shown you so 

Chaplain's not?

Too bad, cuz that scene in the great dictator , where he goes into a minutes long rant (in a gibberish language and pantomime gestures) and after a long pause the translator merely says he was referring to Jewish people was hilarious

[johnthejock]

32 minutes ago, NickM said:

Chaplain's not?

Too bad, cuz that scene in the great dictator , where he goes into a minutes long rant (in a gibberish language and pantomime gestures) and after a long pause the translator merely says he was referring to Jewish people was hilarious

its a great film, a great actor but a horrible, horrible person. Watched it repeatedly as a kid, also loved Harold lloyd hanging off that clock.  He had an interesting past time

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2010/08/adult-pictures-all-grown-up-the-nudes-of-harold-lloyd-001730 

[Sardaukar]

If Charlie Chaplin was Jewish, that is bonus for me for his acting in "Dictator".

[NickM]

11 minutes ago, johnthejock said:

its a great film, a great actor but a horrible, horrible person. Watched it repeatedly as a kid, also loved Harold lloyd hanging off that clock.  He had an interesting past time

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2010/08/adult-pictures-all-grown-up-the-nudes-of-harold-lloyd-001730 

Grate actor but horrible human is a common thing ( right, Alec Baldwin?)

[NickM]

7 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

If Charlie Chaplin was Jewish, that is bonus for me for his acting in "Dictator".

Same here.  But I heard chaplain had regrets doing the flick

[johnthejock]

8 minutes ago, NickM said:

Grate actor but horrible human is a common thing ( right, Alec Baldwin?)

yeah its common, might be like being a front man in the band, great singing but a dick

[Sardaukar]

It is because of narcissism.

People starting to think they are above normal society when in reality they are beyond normal human behaviour.

Examples are too many to even list in modern politics, not to mention public figures in past.

 

 

 

[R E lee]

1 hour ago, johnthejock said:

 

It was you who stated he was Jewish then you changed your view to 'refered to'  my issue is you were incorrect about him being Jewish, please do not keep changing the goalposts or use of similar rhetorical techniques as you demean  both your discussion and yourself in doing so.

 

 

Yes your clearly upset about being wrong, and wrong so very often. C Chaplain disagrees with you. I did not change my view thats you being wrong.

Your wrong here:
He is only Jewish if you belive nazi propaganda

 

Example Dr Johann von Leers 1930s  is the Nazi book, it has a hit list of jews to be killed, ( many were) Chapain is on it as was Einstein and so on, instead of denying he was Jewish, he made the Great dictator instead.

Which is fact free.

Your wrong here:
yet the number of asylum seekers coming to the UK has virtually halved in the last 20 years.

Which is fact free.

Your wrong here:

Authority to launch the UK’s nuclear weapons rests solely with the Prime Minister, the royals are never involved 

Which is fact free.

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by R E lee

[Sardaukar]

When saying things that are "fact free", should also state evidence of the correct facts. 

Otherwise, they are just opinions. But I do know it is tedious.

Though even I happily know that late Elizabeth II nor current King Charles do not have their thumb on button of nukes...I think we agree about that it'd be a bad idea.  

 

 

 

[R E lee]

9 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

When saying things that are "fact free", should also state evidence of the correct facts. 

Otherwise, they are just opinions. But I do know it is tedious.

Though even I happily know that late Elizabeth II nor current King Charles do not have their thumb on button of nukes...I think we agree about that it'd be a bad idea.  

These exchanges are already posted in the full and he knows where they are and why he was wrong.

9 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

 

 

 

 

[johnthejock]

20 minutes ago, R E lee said:

Yes your clearly upset about being wrong, and wrong so very often. C Chaplain disagrees with you. I did not change my view thats you being wrong.

Your wrong here:
He is only Jewish if you belive nazi propaganda

Which is fact free.

Your wrong here:
yet the number of asylum seekers coming to the UK has virtually halved in the last 20 years.

Which is fact free.

Your wrong here:

Authority to launch the UK’s nuclear weapons rests solely with the Prime Minister, the royals are never involved 

Which is fact free.

 

Sunshine if your cognitive dissonance is that much then I feel very, very, sorry for you. As 1. Chaplin in his own words stated he was Anglican and asked for and recieved an anglican funeral. 2. The UK and US authorities at the height of  communist scare could not find any evidence of his origins 3. 48000 approx is virtually the half of 84000 unless you are working with some Lovecraftian non euclidian geomatry and mathmatics of the Old ones.  4. Charlie windsors finger on the button ..yeah of course

https://www.facebook.com/HollywoodPageOfDeath/photos/the-funeral-of-charlie-chaplin-held-on-december-27-1977-was-a-small-and-private-/844861512302133/

Photo of Chaplins Anglican Funeral

I really dont know your point, apart from massaging your own ego, because the only one you are fooling is yourself  

[R E lee]

4 minutes ago, johnthejock said:

 

I really dont know your point, apart from massaging your own ego, because the only one you are fooling is yourself  

At least im not posting online that which i am not, sonny.

[R011]

5 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

When saying things that are "fact free", should also state evidence of the correct facts. 

Otherwise, they are just opinions. But I do know it is tedious.

Though even I happily know that late Elizabeth II nor current King Charles do not have their thumb on button of nukes...I think we agree about that it'd be a bad idea.  

In theory, yeah.  I'd have still trusted Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor more than most , if not all, of her Prime Ministers to do the right thing, thugh.