NATO return to Cold War force structure

[sunday]

26 minutes ago, DB said:

Of course it is.

Or maybe yours has forgotten something out of convenience.

Of course that could be elucidated once the relevant link is produced by whom is doing the accusation.

[Roman Alymov]

10 hours ago, sunday said:

Meanwhile, in Arizona...

 

Selection to balley academy in Russia (Sevastopol)

 

[urbanoid]

Damn, this sight really is grate indeed! Where else can you see thinks like this: 

Edited June 9 by urbanoid

[sunday]

To see any kind of think is really remarkable!

[Roman Alymov]

10 hours ago, sunday said:

Meanwhile, in Arizona...

 

Remined ne the scene of "competition" from Russian movie "Bolshoy"(2017) 

 

can't find it in English, only trailer is with English subtitles

 

Edited June 9 by Roman Alymov

[urbanoid]

14 minutes ago, sunday said:

To see any kind of think is really remarkable!

Ah, it may appear that thinging of a wrong think can lead to mistakes!

[sunday]

23 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Remined ne the scene of "competition" from Russian movie "Bolshoy"(2017) 

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can't find it in English, only trailer is with English subtitles

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Never have heard of any of the dancers in the cast!

[Martineleca]

20 hours ago, seahawk said:

Still it would not be an invasion but an intervention to stop a counter revolution and the WarPac was asked to help by the legitimate government.

But the Solidarity movement never even considered Poland leaving the Warsaw Pact, neither did the followers of Dubcek for that matter, they were just a more liberal shade of commie like the greens are today.

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Martineleca said:

But the Solidarity movement never even considered Poland leaving the Warsaw Pact, neither did the followers of Dubcek for that matter, they were just a more liberal shade of commie like the greens are today.

Ultimately it would have ended with that. 

We're talking about 9-10 million strong organisation, there had to be a diversity of opinions. They pursued the goals they considered realistic at the time - naturally in 1980 they weren't openly talking about leaving Warsaw Pact and Comecon, as that would be practically an invitation to USSR and others to intervene. The Soviets and local communists considered the movement 'counter-revolutionary' and they were right. If we exclude post-communists (who rebranded themselves as social democrats), most of the political class since in the 1990s were members of Solidarność and those are the people that were jumping through all the hoops that made us NATO and EU members (not that the post-communists were any different in that regard, they pursued both memberships just as much).

 

[Roman Alymov]

11 hours ago, sunday said:

Never have heard of any of the dancers in the cast!

It is movie after all   Film director was deliberately looking for the actress for the main character (provincial girl initially) to be not so known, so he found ethnic Russian dancer from Lithuania in Warsaw

Margarita Simonova : Teatr Wielki Opera Narodowa

 

Margarita Simonova, 35, Warsaw.Film and Theater talent. Official Website | Kinolift

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Remined ne the scene of "competition" from Russian movie "Bolshoy"(2017) 

 

can't find it in English, only trailer is with English subtitles

 

If we are all referencing favourite Ballet films, here is mine. In my defence it was Isabella Rosellinis first foreign film too...

 

[Roman Alymov]

51 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

If we are all referencing favourite Ballet films, here is mine. In my defence it was Isabella Rosellinis first foreign film too...

 

From trailer, it looks like it is not exactly about ballet but about Western view of USSR of that time. Let me advise you to fresh (2023) Russian series "Balley" that is touching both the problems of late USSR balley and modern one. 

 

P.S. Since members are complaining about no real baley dancers in casts - in this series real first-rank dancers are in the cast

Maria Khoreva - Wikipedia

Варнава, Владимир Владимирович — Википедия (wikipedia.org) 

[sunday]

Of course, nobody could remember The Red Shoes, starring Moira Shearer.

And that is a British film.

[Perun]

 

[Perun]

 

[Perun]

 

[Roman Alymov]

15 minutes ago, Perun said:

 

Not sure it if is related to Cold War legacy or just some natural devide, but seems like DDR is still present on electoral map

[urbanoid]

6 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Not sure it if is related to Cold War legacy or just some natural devide, but seems like DDR is still present on electoral map

In Poland a comment to many election maps is 'you can see partitions'.

I once saw a map of Ukrainian elections (from before 2014, maybe even before 2010) where you could pretty much see which lands belonged to Poland in the interwar period (and A-H before that) as well as the furthest reach of Commonwealth in the 17th century.

[Roman Alymov]

2 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

In Poland a comment to many election maps is 'you can see partitions'.

I once saw a map of Ukrainian elections (from before 2014, maybe even before 2010) where you could pretty much see which lands belonged to Poland in the interwar period (and A-H before that) as well as the furthest reach of Commonwealth in the 17th century.

In Ukraine it was mainly "East vs. West" - for example

[urbanoid]

3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

In Ukraine it was mainly "East vs. West" - for example

Look at Yanu's numbers in the westernmost part of the country (minus Zakarpatya) and compare it to central Ukraine, where he also lost but not by that much. IMO clearly some Polish/Austro-Hungarian 'legacy', also seen on the bottom map.

On Polish electoral maps we also often have a sort of (more or less) East-West distinction, 'German' part in one color and 'Russian + AH' in a different one. 

[Perun]

After 2nd ww there were population migration and changes, I doubt that nowdays electoral data could be explained by prewar history

[urbanoid]

And yet on a lot of Polish electoral maps you could mostly tell which part of the country was once under Germany and which under Russia or Austro-Hungary. 

Doesn't include big cities, which are generally far more liberal, even in parts of the country that were once under Russian Empire or A-H.

Support for liberals/center coalition in 2023 parliamentary elections 

Support for the right: 

The support for the Left would also be much higher on the western side of the country, same for the far-right in the eastern part. 

[R011]

Much of the former German part was ethnically cleaned of Germans then repopulated by Poles ethnically cleansed from the formerly Polish parts seized by the Soviet Union.  Other parts were Polish-populated parts of Imperial Germany before 1919.

[Perun]

7 hours ago, urbanoid said:

And yet on a lot of Polish electoral maps you could mostly tell which part of the country was once under Germany and which under Russia or Austro-Hungary. 

Doesn't include big cities, which are generally far more liberal, even in parts of the country that were once under Russian Empire or A-H.

Support for liberals/center coalition in 2023 parliamentary elections 

Support for the right: 

The support for the Left would also be much higher on the western side of the country, same for the far-right in the eastern part. 

Interesting maps, thanks.

I can see the connection. Western part was mainly populated after 2nd ww so peoples have much more symphaty for the leftist party

[Martineleca]

6 hours ago, R011 said:

Much of the former German part was ethnically cleaned of Germans then repopulated by Poles ethnically cleansed from the formerly Polish parts seized by the Soviet Union.

Basically the population of the north-east European plain was moved ~200km to the west, while the US never seemed overly interested in Poland retaining its eastern lands during the various summits, the UK was honour bound to protect their territorial integrity. With the suppression of news of the Katyn massacre and other crimes it was made clear to the Polish goverment in exile that they would not be getting their country back, was there any opposition in the wider British public to this abandonement of a loyal ally?