NATO return to Cold War force structure

[sunday]

You Slavs should remember the origin of the English term slave.

However, you are not allowed to say Slav Lives Matter, as you also enjoy that mythical Whitey privilege.

Quite ironic.

Edited June 3, 2024 by sunday

[Martineleca]

I have to once more reiterate that Slav is a loaded term that attempts to group multiple nationalities that often have no cultural ties whatsoever, apart from viciously fighting at one point or another to avoid becoming a province of the Russian empire and it's various iterations. 

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30 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its funny world indeed, that one has to run the gammut of being classed purely acording to the misfortune have being born in England in the 20th century, and one gets classed as part of the Anglophone world (even though Im at least a quarter Irish and more than a large chunk of Burgundian)  yet at the very moment I mention the word 'Slav', instantly the racism card gets played. 

If you said 'You Europeans' would we take enthic office? No. And there is, frankly, no damn difference genetically between you Slav honkeys and us European honkeys anyway. Get over it.

Hey, I don't know why that's directed at me? I'm damn sure I never mentioned your ethnicity and anglophone literally just refers to the language (besides, none of my comments were directed at you personally but at wider cultural trends).

Anyway, as you'll note, I actually said I didn't mind the "you Slavs" thing. I think of "you Slavs" as a compliment 😎

[Perun]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its funny world indeed, that one has to run the gammut of being classed purely acording to the misfortune have being born in England in the 20th century, and one gets classed as part of the Anglophone world (even though Im at least a quarter Irish and more than a large chunk of Burgundian)  yet at the very moment I mention the word 'Slav', instantly the racism card gets played. 

If you said 'You Europeans' would we take enthic office? No. And there is, frankly, no damn difference genetically between you Slav honkeys and us European honkeys anyway. Get over it.

 

So now is "you" and "us"??? And what do you meen "you Slavs" and "us europeans"? Doesn't Slav live in Europe?? From what books do you drow your opinion now? 

[Perun]

45 minutes ago, Martineleca said:

I have to once more reiterate that Slav is a loaded term that attempts to group multiple nationalities that often have no cultural ties whatsoever, apart from viciously fighting at one point or another to avoid becoming a province of the Russian empire and it's various iterations. 

And from where did you conclude that

[Perun]

43 minutes ago, ink said:

I think of "you Slavs" as a compliment 

When it is so

Edited June 3, 2024 by Perun

[Stuart Galbraith]

51 minutes ago, Martineleca said:

I have to once more reiterate that Slav is a loaded term that attempts to group multiple nationalities that often have no cultural ties whatsoever, apart from viciously fighting at one point or another to avoid becoming a province of the Russian empire and it's various iterations. 

As I said before, its a term to me as meaningless as when people talk about Europeans as if they were a homogenous mass. But its a term Slavs seemingly cling to in solidarity, except they get all stroppy when you agree to their terms and call them Slavs. Go figure.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

48 minutes ago, ink said:

Hey, I don't know why that's directed at me? I'm damn sure I never mentioned your ethnicity and anglophone literally just refers to the language (besides, none of my comments were directed at you personally but at wider cultural trends).

Anyway, as you'll note, I actually said I didn't mind the "you Slavs" thing. I think of "you Slavs" as a compliment 😎

Then im glad, because absolutely no offense was meant.

And if people want to call me English, feel free. But be aware that Ive had my mother go through the family tree. Im Burgundian, German, Scottish, Irish, Scandinavian, English and, improbably of all, native American. Which illustrates that England isnt an ethnicity, its just an airport terminal on the way from somewhere else.

[Perun]

3 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

As I said before, its a term to me as meaningless as when people talk about Europeans as if they were a homogenous mass. But its a term Slavs seemingly cling to in solidarity, except they get all stroppy when you agree to their terms and call them Slavs. Go figure.

 

One more topic of which you dont know nothing and doesnt want to learn but preach others as if you know everything about it

[bojan]

1 hour ago, Martineleca said:

... no cultural ties whatsoever...

For Slavs that is a myth. Cultural ties go quite back and are present in many aspects of life. That said, there are also some sagnificant differences, which came to light in some hilarious ways.

*Recently as a lot of Russians and Ukrainians settled in Serbia, one of the main complaints is "You have no idea of personal space". Should have tried southern Italy, Balkans would feel like Nordics compared to that.

32 minutes ago, Perun said:

And from where did you conclude that

From the same brain that claimed that it was better for eastern Europe to be under German WW2 occupation than during post-WW2 communism imposed by Soviets.

Edited June 3, 2024 by bojan

[Perun]

4 minutes ago, bojan said:

From the same brain that claimed that it was better for eastern Europe to be under German WW2 occupation than during post-WW2 communism imposed by Soviets.

Unfortunately it seams so, old racism didnt die even in 21st century

[bojan]

3 minutes ago, Perun said:

Unfortunately it seams so, old racism didnt die even in 21st century

He most likely from Bulgaria, but likes to pretend that he is special and different.

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28 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Then im glad, because absolutely no offense was meant.

I know 🙂

[Martineleca]

31 minutes ago, Perun said:

Unfortunately it seams so, old racism didnt die even in 21st century

Not wanting to be overrun and incorporated into the biggest country in the world who's apetite for further expansion seems insatiable has nothing to do with racism...

[Perun]

@Martineleca So what are you saying, that you cant resist Russia whitout racism

Edited June 3, 2024 by Perun

[Martineleca]

12 minutes ago, Perun said:

@Martineleca So what are you saying, that you cant resist Russia whitout racism

I believe the term you're looking for is the dreaded russophobia 😉

[seahawk]

Maybe it is not too hard to differentiate between Slavic people and supporters of Pan-Slavism.

[Perun]

37 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Maybe it is not too hard to differentiate between Slavic people and supporters of Pan-Slavism.

What is diference between Pan-Slavism and, for example, EU idea? 

[urbanoid]

3 minutes ago, Perun said:

What is diference between Pan-Slavism and, for example, EU idea? 

Pan-Slavism came to be because Russia decided that as the most numerous Slavic nation, they're destined to rule over all Slavs. Plenty of Slavs were (and are) not very keen on the idea, to say the least.

 

[Josh]

Perhaps we need a separate thread in the FFZ; nothing in the last 4-5 pages has anything to do with NATO.

[seahawk]

1 hour ago, Perun said:

What is diference between Pan-Slavism and, for example, EU idea? 

Pan-Slavism is not rusiophobe, the EU is.

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1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Pan-Slavism came to be because Russia decided that as the most numerous Slavic nation, they're destined to rule over all Slavs. Plenty of Slavs were (and are) not very keen on the idea, to say the least.

Pan Slavism has a much richer history than that, thankfully. As I'm sure you know. And many of its main proponents weren't Russian but from the then subject people's of various German and Turkish empires (mainly German though, let's face it).

Anyway, if it hadn't come along back in the 19th century, it would still have emerged as an idea anyway. All those people, speaking very closely related languages. It doesn't take any special level of thinking to say that there should be some cooperation.

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37 minutes ago, Josh said:

Perhaps we need a separate thread in the FFZ; nothing in the last 4-5 pages has anything to do with NATO.

It's not that unrelated if you want to stretch the topic to fit. NATO's greatest foe is Slavic, and without an enemy, NATO is nothing.

[sunday]

Ruscia delenda est.

Pity those pesky Russians do not agree with that.

Edited June 3, 2024 by sunday

[urbanoid]

24 minutes ago, sunday said:

Ruscia delenda est.

Pity those pesky Russians do not agree with that.

Delenda as a regional player and geopolitical factor in Europe (except as a potential threat to be deterred) - great idea actually. 

Delenda physically? Nah, not possible to do that even with medium nuclear powers due to potential consequences, let alone major ones. Those can only defeat themselves if they try hard enough and... nobody really wants that either, as disintegration of a major power opens yet another pandora's box.