Murph Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 Journalist warn of frightening future where the rules actually apply to them: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) On 12/16/2022 at 11:31 AM, Murph said: Musks jet info is restricted by the FAA, and as such the libtard @sshole who posted non-Publicly available flight data not only doxxed Musk, but possibly violated federal law, not that the DOJ will ever prosecute a lefty (unless they run out of money), for breaking the law on people they hate. So your argument is fallacious in that respect. As for the so called "Journalists" the repeated the information which WAS NOT PUBLICALLY AVAILABLE. You cannot have it both ways. You either follow the law, or we have no laws. 🙄 This post is the only place I've heard of Sweeney violating Fed law... so I'm guessing you're just making that up on the fly. Five minutes of googling this story will unveil that there are multiple ways to track the plane (which Tim just glosses over... love the part in that vid where he's breaking down an article he hasn't read and doesn't bother to read). I'm pretty sure Tim isn't a SME on this nor has he talked to one. Snopes had this interesting reply from the FAA regarding the whole matter in this article when they were breaking everything down: Quote A flight can be tracked in ways such as a Freedom of Information Act request, flightradar24.com, flightaware.com, liveatc.com, ADSB Exchange, or a frequently departed airport. Musk's plane was in the crosshairs of this kid for a while and using that program he's talking about in his tweet wasn't some all-encompassing cloaking device. Sweeney simply got around it... and articles like this make it sound like Sweeney knows a lot more about tracking the plane than Musk's people do about hiding it (it claims Musk even went to the kid for advice, lol). No hint of illegality from everything I've read. Edited December 19, 2022 by Skywalkre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 hours ago, Murph said: This sounds like textbook extortion to me: $50,000 to remove the Muskjet data, or else: Not extortion... a counter-offer. Musk offered to buy off this kid a while back for $5k. The kid counter-offered with $50k. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that an alleged journalist like Tim Pool would use a short clip without that further context to push a narrative. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 As thousands of people parodied on Twitter, you can display the data of ANY jet you like on Twitter. So ultimately its not about thwarting terrorist attacks, its purely about soothing Musks increasing paranoia. Ultimately if he doesnt like being in the Public eye, sell up and move to a wood cabin in Nantucket. That will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoFiveMike Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 "It's a private company." Eat shit you degenerate journalists. LOL. S/F...Ken M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/17/2022 at 6:33 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: The online media hardly need Government coercian to spy on you. Its their business model. Its called outsourcing. Its still illegal. If the government can't go into your home without a warrant, getting a private third party as an unofficial agent doesn't get around the limit. Thats for the 4th/5th. The same applies to the 1st. Weekly meetings with the FBI about which joke accounts to shadow ban is beyond the pale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said: As thousands of people parodied on Twitter, you can display the data of ANY jet you like on Twitter. So ultimately its not about thwarting terrorist attacks, its purely about soothing Musks increasing paranoia. Ultimately if he doesnt like being in the Public eye, sell up and move to a wood cabin in Nantucket. That will do it. There was a policy before that doxing someone was in fact a bad offense. The fact that Twitter chose to apply the rule haphazardly was the problem. Isn't there a specific rule somewhat like that on this forum? Edited December 19, 2022 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1. Terms of use (d) TankNet will cooperate to the limit of its ability to provide law enforcement agencies with evidence (posts, IP addresses, registration information, etc.) of any individual attempting to maliciously interfere with the life of any forum member outside the forum. Contacting third parties or publishing private information of forum members will be considered evidence of malicious intent. This information may also be made available to the aggrieved party (at the aggrieved party’s request through legal means) should the aggrieved party wish to bring a civil action against the perpetrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, rmgill said: There was a policy before that doxing someone was in fact a bad offense. The fact that Twitter chose to apply the rule haphazardly was the problem. Isn't there a specific rule somewhat like that on this forum? They still are applying it haphazardly, they only notice when its Elon Musk. There probably should be, though Im surprised if anyone here owns their own private jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 The main whining now appears to be that "doxxing" as defined by Elon doesn't match earlier definitions, so therefore the man-child posting his jet's location doesn't count as such. Frankly, I think that this argument is a load of nonsense - "doxxing" as a term is a relatively new one, and like most neologisms is subject to significant drift in meaning as it is adopted. Sure, nobody has passed his exact address out and yes, his jet's ID is public information and therefore can be found on FR24, etc., but... My home address is a matter of public record. Access to that record is limited by inconvenience - you have to physically go to the local council office and look it up in the voter register (in practice, it's both more and less complicated than that). If someone went out of their way to do that then post it publicly, have they broken any laws, or are they just being an asshole? A journalist I know has a real bug up his ass about Elon, loves every bit of bad news going his way and relates it on my favourite car forum with a rather salacious glee. I had to remind him that there is a difference, journalistically speaking between something that is in the public interest and something that the public is interested in. *What* Musk does with the companies he controls is probably reportable as being in the public interest. The other stuff? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, DB said: The main whining now appears to be that "doxxing" as defined by Elon doesn't match earlier definitions, so therefore the man-child posting his jet's location doesn't count as such. Frankly, I think that this argument is a load of nonsense - "doxxing" as a term is a relatively new one, and like most neologisms is subject to significant drift in meaning as it is adopted. Sure, nobody has passed his exact address out and yes, his jet's ID is public information and therefore can be found on FR24, etc., but... My home address is a matter of public record. Access to that record is limited by inconvenience - you have to physically go to the local council office and look it up in the voter register (in practice, it's both more and less complicated than that). If someone went out of their way to do that then post it publicly, have they broken any laws, or are they just being an asshole? A journalist I know has a real bug up his ass about Elon, loves every bit of bad news going his way and relates it on my favourite car forum with a rather salacious glee. I had to remind him that there is a difference, journalistically speaking between something that is in the public interest and something that the public is interested in. *What* Musk does with the companies he controls is probably reportable as being in the public interest. The other stuff? Not so much. "...journalistically speaking between something that is in the public interest and something that the public is interested in." Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 At this point it looks a bit like Musk just wants to trash the thing, then run away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 So who has Musk been talking to recently who might be interested in being a disruptive CEO for Twitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeOne Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Sell it to Trump to merge it with Truth Social? The fireworks would be Epic with a captital E. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3779845-musk-and-kushner-spotted-at-world-cup-final/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Jared as Twitter CEO? That would be beyond wonderful. Of course, when all the anti-Semites in the American and European lefts leave in a huff, the remaining throughput would be down to T3 levels, saving a ton of money and possibly balancing the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Ok, he's a big meany pants. Now, do the issue of Child Porn on the platform! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 5 hours ago, BansheeOne said: At this point it looks a bit like Musk just wants to trash the thing, then run away. Who knows... There's a story this morning that a major Tesla investor sued Musk and in talking to the judge Musk stated he'll be handing Twitter over to someone else to run full-time. You would think something like that wouldn't be done on a whim and this poll was just there to cover for the move (but... given everything else we've seen with him... umm... yeah...). There was a report yesterday he was looking to sell twitter for the same price he paid... but who in their right mind would buy it? It was universally seen as too much money when he bought it. Also saw an interesting take on this whole Sweeney thing. Sweeney made a comment a few days ago it has less to do with him tracking the plane and more to do with news getting out that twitter employees leaked to him that his accounts were being shadow-banned/throttled/whatever. Musk gets all huffy that someone did this (why he would think he has the loyalty of most of his remaining employees is a great question) then lashed out at Sweeney. There's also some talk this whole thing could be another Jussie Smollelett incident. Apparently still no police report, the timing of everything doesn't quite match up, so maybe Musk had this staged to justify lashing out at Sweeney. Just because he's a billionaire that pisses off Libs doesn't mean he's playing 3D chess. More and more this just looks like a giant clusterfuck that he may soon wash his hands of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, rmgill said: Ok, he's a big meany pants. Now, do the issue of Child Porn on the platform! Oh MSN already mentioned that "Elon Musk Twitter" was doing away with the safeguards against child porn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 hours ago, rmgill said: Its called outsourcing. Its still illegal. If the government can't go into your home without a warrant, getting a private third party as an unofficial agent doesn't get around the limit. Thats for the 4th/5th. The same applies to the 1st. Weekly meetings with the FBI about which joke accounts to shadow ban is beyond the pale. If I had done what the FBI did, I would have had cases tossed in court ASAP. Just shows how corrupt the whole edifice is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, NickM said: Oh MSN already mentioned that "Elon Musk Twitter" was doing away with the safeguards against child porn No, I think they got it wrong, the Elon Musk Twitter is getting rid of their favorite child porn/child molesting accounts, so they have to get their jollies on some other platform like Fakebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 What gets me is the FBI meeting weekly but not about child exploitation. What the hell? !?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Clear now that Musk didn't stage this incident himself... but also pretty clear the tracker had nothing to do with it. Seems more likely he just used this as an excuse to axe the accounts (probably after word got out his people were leaking the shadow-banning/throttling/etc. that was being done). Quote Musk blamed a Twitter account for an alleged stalker. Police see no link. LOS ANGELES - A confrontation between a member of Elon Musk's security team and an alleged stalker that Musk blamed on a Twitter account that tracked his jet took place at a gas station 26 miles from Los Angeles International Airport and 23 hours after the @ElonJet account had last located the jet's whereabouts. The timing and location of the confrontation cast doubt on Musk's assertion that the account had posted real-time "assassination coordinates" that threatened his family and led to the confrontation. Police have said little about the incident but say they've yet to find a link between the confrontation and the jet-tracking account. https://news.yahoo.com/musk-blamed-twitter-account-alleged-050849948.html Edited December 19, 2022 by Skywalkre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuart Galbraith Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 hours ago, BansheeOne said: Sell it to Trump to merge it with Truth Social? The fireworks would be Epic with a captital E. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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