U.S. House of Reps & Senate races 2022 .

[sunday]

The world economy is currently crap because:

a) Out of control quantitative easing

b) Useless covid confinement

c) Counterproductive sanctions against Russia

[rmgill]

 

[Skywalkre]

On 10/30/2022 at 8:05 PM, DKTanker said:

Please, feel free to flesh this out.  From national news she's coming across as intelligent, articulate, and not afraid to push back against legacy media memes.

She believes the 2020 election was stolen and is apparently a true believe.  That alone makes her a nutjob.  However, she takes it to a new level...

- She has stated that her opponent, the current SecState who oversaw the '20 elections, should go to jail.  Apparently doing one's job and following the law deserves to have you thrown in jail.  Fascinating conservative position to hold...

- She has supported 'decertifying' the '20 election.  That's... not even a thing... that would hold up a second in court.

- She's stated she won't necessarily endorse the results of the upcoming election... unless she wins, of course.

So... do you think these are intelligent positions to hold?

[Skywalkre]

On 10/31/2022 at 1:36 AM, sunday said:

Seems there is a extended conviction among (D) that (R) = nutjob. Unless that (R) is some kind of RINO.

How is that any different than how many Rs, especially most on here, view Ds?  Oh... I get it... only you all are correct.  That's an incredibly entitled position to hold.  🙄

[Skywalkre]

On 10/31/2022 at 2:40 PM, nitflegal said:

I think when you combine the very low regard people have for the Democrats right now with the fact that they in general need to prove themselves to the voters who now distrust Democrats as a class in an awful lot of purple areas you get this.  Not debating makes them look weak and cowardly and like they're hiding stuff, like what they will actually do if elected.  When people already don't trust them that was dumb, as at the least is suggests that they so expected Hobbs to get her clock cleaned when it came to justifying her positions that being a coward was the better strategy than talking to voters.

On the national scene I don't see anything to believe Democrats are suddenly viewed any more negatively than they always were.  Google-fu is showing over the last few years that Ds tended to have more favorable ratings than Rs... but it's a moot point to have a few points advantage over your opponent when you're both viewed overwhelmingly negative to begin with.

I think the hit the Ds are taking right now is more issue-based than an inherent dislike.  Rs have historically been viewed more positively when it comes to the economy.  Rs have successfully pushed the rising crime narrative which is something they, again, score higher than Ds with amongst the population.

Translating that to the local scene... if any place should be hostile to Ds it's AZ which is still very much a right-leaning state.  The reason we have 2 x D US Senators and possibly a D governor coming up is that we have a history of voting for apparent moderate D candidates if the R side gives us a bloody inbred moron as their nominee (which has been the case far too often in recent years).  Lake was very much playing the part of that inbred moron (see my reply to DKTanker a few posts up) during the primaries where she had to out-crazy the other Rs to get the nomination.  Now that we're in the general election she's been quieter on the stolen election nonsense and more vocal about tax cuts and such.  Still surprises me that folks have such a short memory and shifted their view this much... but then again AZ has been hit the hardest by inflation and cost-of-living increases compared to anywhere else in the country so even the slightest hint of easing the financial pain will likely win over voters.

[rmgill]

59 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

She believes the 2020 election was stolen and is apparently a true believe.  That alone makes her a nutjob.  However, she takes it to a new level...

- She has stated that her opponent, the current SecState who oversaw the '20 elections, should go to jail.  Apparently doing one's job and following the law deserves to have you thrown in jail.  Fascinating conservative position to hold...

- She has supported 'decertifying' the '20 election.  That's... not even a thing... that would hold up a second in court.

- She's stated she won't necessarily endorse the results of the upcoming election... unless she wins, of course.

So... do you think these are intelligent positions to hold?

This has been reasonable for more than 4 years.



Oh, you're not talking about Stacy Abrams are you? 🤔 Why not? 

[rmgill]

59 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

How is that any different than how many Rs, especially most on here, view Ds?  Oh... I get it... only you all are correct.  That's an incredibly entitled position to hold.  🙄

Speaking as someone that the president has said, that if I disagree with his policies, I'm an enemy of the nation, well...who am I to argue with what Biden says is true? 

More seriously, we have very high inflation. Democrats believe that they are doing well by pumping more federal dollars printed out of nothing into the economy and that they can keep doing that without any effect on the inflation rate. Inflation was high. Then they spent even MORE money to fix that which made the inflation rate even higher. 

What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and expecting a different result. 

I think that folks who vote for Ds often are well meaning. some are quite cynical in their outlook. Others are doing so out of a sense of good intentions. But quite honestly, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. 

We could look at the "we care about you so put on a mask and get quadruple jabbed and hide in your home" crowd. How charitable are we supposed to be to them now that we know it was all a bunch of crap? 

Edited November 2, 2022 by rmgill

[DKTanker]

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

She believes the 2020 election was stolen and is apparently a true believe.  That alone makes her a nutjob.  However, she takes it to a new level...

- She has stated that her opponent, the current SecState who oversaw the '20 elections, should go to jail.  Apparently doing one's job and following the law deserves to have you thrown in jail.  Fascinating conservative position to hold...

- She has supported 'decertifying' the '20 election.  That's... not even a thing... that would hold up a second in court.

- She's stated she won't necessarily endorse the results of the upcoming election... unless she wins, of course.

So... do you think these are intelligent positions to hold?

Now try doing it with actual in context quotes sans editorials.  

By the way, a lot of people, to include you, wanted to "decertify" the 2016 election, based on falsehoods and out right lies.  Are all of them and you nuts?

[Skywalkre]

21 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Now try doing it with actual in context quotes sans editorials. 

Editorials?  It's all out of her own mouth (or feed).

Calling for Hobbs to go to jail - here (0:18-0:38).  I was actually being generous, she's calling for everyone involved to go to jail (and also called for journalists to be locked up).  Again, you'll have to help me out on this one, what's the conservative position for state and local officials to go to jail for doing their job and following the law?

Decertifying the election - right off of her own twitter feed 🙄.

Only accepting the results if she wins - lots of examples of this from the previous weeks as she's been hounded on this (but here's one example).

So... I ask again... do you think these are intelligent positions to hold?

21 hours ago, DKTanker said:

By the way, a lot of people, to include you, wanted to "decertify" the 2016 election, based on falsehoods and out right lies.  Are all of them and you nuts?

Unequivocal bullshit.  Show me my quote stating this.  You can't.

Remarkable in a thread about Rs living in fantasy land about the '20 election you go ahead and throw out a total fabrication supporting something you want to believe that didn't happen.  Sadly this is fairly typical behavior from you.

[17thfabn]

37 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

Again, you'll have to help me out on this one, what's the conservative position for state and local officials to go to jail for doing their job and following the law?

.......

Remarkable in a thread about Rs living in fantasy land about the '20 election you go ahead and throw out a total fabrication supporting something you want to believe that didn't happen.  Sadly this is fairly typical behavior from you.

The conservative position would be that only those convicted of crimes should go to jail. Conservatives and Republicans in general are not interchangeable 100 % with Trump hardliners.

I'm interested in the views of those living in the areas where the elections are close.

This thread was started to talk about the upcoming U.S. House of Representatives and Senate elections. 

To that end....

The Senate race in Pennsylvania seems to be tightening. With Democrat Fetterman with a very slight lead.

In Ohio's Senate race Republican Vance seems to be ahead in another tight race. His lead seems to be right on the edge of being comfortable. 

In Georgia Senator Warnock has a slight lead over Hershal Walker, a man who in the past could run fast while holding an (American) football. This one surprises me. By recent count he has two alleged would be babies mommas who claim he paid for their abortions. I'm surprised it is that close! I would have thought the allegations would tank Walker's chances.

These three key elections will probably determine control of the U.S. Senate. I think Vance will win in Ohio. The Georgia and Pennsylvania elections look like a toss up a week ahead.

An "Independent Group" is running an add against J.D. Vance in Ohio. 

A Trump supporter comes on and says (not exact words) that J.D. Vance opposed Trump and then turned around and latter supported Trump. Because of that you can't trust him. And you should support his rival Representative Tim Ryan for Senate.

It is true that J.D. Vance was originally opposed to Trump being president. He says latter he was impressed by the job Trump did and changed his mind.

If you support Trump's positions it makes no sense to vote for Ryan. In spite of Ryan's  ads saying he is a moderate Democrat his voting record says other wise.

[rmgill]

13 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

In Georgia Senator Warnock has a slight lead over Hershal Walker, a man who in the past could run fast while holding an (American) football. This one surprises me. By recent count he has two alleged would be babies mommas who claim he paid for their abortions. I'm surprised it is that close! I would have thought the allegations would tank Walker's chances.

In the case of Warnock, you have a minster who apparently got into a domestic dispute with his GF and drove over her foot with his car among other things. (this was reported  back in 2020).
https://nypost.com/2020/12/23/raphael-warnocks-ex-claims-he-ran-over-her-foot-during-a-dispute/

On Walker in general, Elections are, if nothing else about name recognition. 

A friend was actually on a flight with Walker years ago, he didn't speak highly of Walker's sophistication. However he also noted that he was QUITE pleased that Walker was direct in the debates on some specific questions. Rather than the winding, evasive and uncertain answer we usually get from candidates, Walker was very specific. 

Warnock has been running ad after ad after ad that are negative about Walker. Instead of running on his record (which he can't) he's going negative. That's probably not helping him much in the polling. 

Walker was a high school then college football hero from a tiny town in rural Georgia in the stretch of nothing between Macon and Savannah, Wrightsville in Johnson County. The county has 28 people per square mile, it's lightly populated and is mostly farming. So, a high school, then college age black man becomes a state hero with a high degree of recognition and probably more girls than he knows what to do with? Yeah, there's probably a kid or two. He didn't end up in prison, or dead or sick on drugs like a lot of modest to famous folks do. I expect he probably learned a bunch of life's lessons along the way. 

Warnock, the Minister is going to run on being pro-abortion while impugning someone who paid for GF's to have abortions. How's that work exactly? If it's a sin why does Warnock advocate for it? Why does he advocate for the Federal Government to pay for a thing that he says the government has no say in? 

I've said before, Walker is NOT my first choice, not by a long shot. I pay zero attention to football. I know who Walker is and even watched the games he was in. If he sticks to running balls to the endzone and slipping past the linemen so to speak, then he's doing his job. 
 

 

[rmgill]

14 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Remarkable in a thread about Rs living in fantasy land about the '20 election you go ahead and throw out a total fabrication supporting something you want to believe that didn't happen.  Sadly this is fairly typical behavior from you.

Do the Dems now!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/06/13/flashback-when-democrats-attacked-democracy-n2608636

[sunday]

[17thfabn]

7 hours ago, rmgill said:

In the case of Warnock, you have a minster who apparently got into a domestic dispute with his GF and drove over her foot with his car among other things. (this was reported  back in 2020).
https://nypost.com/2020/12/23/raphael-warnocks-ex-claims-he-ran-over-her-foot-during-a-disputeWarnock has been running ad after ad after ad that are negative about Walker. Instead of running on his record (which he can't) he's going negative. That's probably not helping him much in the polling. 

Yeah, there's probably a kid or two. He didn't end up in prison, or dead or sick on drugs like a lot of modest to famous folks do. I expect he probably learned a bunch of life's lessons along the way. 

Everybody says they don't like negative ads. But they must work because every one uses them.

It doesn't matter what we think about Walker's possible babies mommas and their alleged abortions allegedly paid for by Walker. What matters in the election is if it will it have enough of an impact to change the results. 

[DKTanker]

On 11/2/2022 at 7:16 PM, Skywalkre said:

Unequivocal bullshit.  Show me my quote stating this.  You can't.

You're right.  I went back to 2017 and looked and I can't.  What I did glean from your posts of early November 2017 was a rationalization in defense of Mueller's witch hun...errr investigation.  But no, nothing specific about suggesting Trump's election was illegitimate.

By the way, this is a tweet from a nutjob running in a gubernatorial race.

 

[Rick]

On 11/1/2022 at 8:36 PM, Skywalkre said:

She believes the 2020 election was stolen and is apparently a true believe.  That alone makes her a nutjob.  However, she takes it to a new level...

- She has stated that her opponent, the current SecState who oversaw the '20 elections, should go to jail.  Apparently doing one's job and following the law deserves to have you thrown in jail.  Fascinating conservative position to hold...

- She has supported 'decertifying' the '20 election.  That's... not even a thing... that would hold up a second in court.

- She's stated she won't necessarily endorse the results of the upcoming election... unless she wins, of course.

So... do you think these are intelligent positions to hold?

I obviously don't have a dog in this fight, but are there other reasons you oppose her? Out of curiosity, what has her opponent and her beliefs/statements regarding morality, the courts, and the economy?

[JWB]

[nitflegal]

8 hours ago, Rick said:

I obviously don't have a dog in this fight, but are there other reasons you oppose her? Out of curiosity, what has her opponent and her beliefs/statements regarding morality, the courts, and the economy?

The part that I continue to struggle with is the easy dismissal of candidates as nutjobs because of the stolen election beliefs without turning that same critical eye on their opponents.  Said nutjob's opponent believes, as her party does, that biological sex isn't real and that teenagers have the mental maturity acuity to decide to permanently maim themselves and that it is imperative to not only remove their parents from any decisions but to actively prosecute said parents if they decide that taking a scalpel, incising at the base of the penis for 180 degrees, degloving (i.e. skinning) their penis and cutting away the interior, ligating the scrotal ligaments and blood vessels before severing the bundle and cutting away the testicles before then displacing the ligaments at the pelvis, invaginating the penis remnants into their abdomen and suturing them into a false pouch is not acceptable before the child reaches adulthood.  Said recipient then needs to treat the pouch as a permanently compromised wound for the rest of their lives when the published failure rate (necrosis which leads to the death of the pouch tissue and resultant necrotic infiltration of their abdomen is north of 1/3 after 10 years.  They will also now suffer permanent urinary incontinence and flashes of heat and pain from the traumatized nerves for the rest of their lives.  

To sum up, the person who questions the election is a dangerous nutjob, the person who champions what I wrote above is a normal and rational human being who needs to be given as much power over us as possible. . .

[rmgill]

No no no. It's not 'mutilation based on a snap decision', it's GENDER AFFIRMING HEALTHCARE!

The euphemistic bullcrap that the left uses as a matter of routine is absurd. I'm going to start referring to my .40 S&W sidearm as 'justice affirming, equality creater'. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by rmgill

[sunday]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-11-04-judge-bans-use-cameras-catch-ballot-mules.html

Sorry, guys, but that is a problem only on Samland. Any other country will demand identification for voting,

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CHEATING IN PLAIN VIEW: Arizona judge bans anyone from using cameras to catch ballot stuffing MULES at drop boxes

 

[DKTanker]

4 hours ago, sunday said:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-11-04-judge-bans-use-cameras-catch-ballot-mules.html

Sorry, guys, but that is a problem only on Samland. Any other country will demand identification for voting,

 

We wouldn't want nutjobs questioning the legitimacy of elections, now would we?

[17thfabn]

As the polls stand now the predictions are that the Republicans are very likely to take over the U.S. House of Representatives.

The three races I think will determine control of the U.S. Senate are Ohio, Pennsylvania & Georgia. If the Republicans take all three they likely will take over the Senate. If the Democrats get two out of three they will probably hang on to control of the Senate. 

I'm putting down the latest polls so we can compare the real results next week. Of course in Georgia if neither candidate gets 50% + 1 there will be a run off.

In Ohio!!!!

"Fivethirtyeight" has          Vance (R) 48 % to Ryan (D) 44 %

"Emerson College"              Vance 51 %  Ryan 43 %

 "Remington Research "        Vance 48 % Ryan 43 %

"Average of 6 Polls"               Vance 47.7 %  Ryan 45%

Pennsylvania

"Fivethirtyeight" has         Fetterman(D) 46.8% to Oz(R) 46.4% 

"Emerson College"              Oz 48% Fetterman 46 %

"Remington Research "     Oz 47 % Fetterman 44 %

"Average of  5 Polls"           Oz  47%  Fetterman 46.4%

Georgia

"Fivethirtyeight"              Walker (R) 46.6 % to Warnock (D) 46.5

"Emerson College"             Warnock 49 % to Walker 47 %

"Remington Research "    Walker 49% Warnock 45%

"Average of 5 Polls"            Warnock 47.4 %  Walker 46.6%

 

https://www.270towin.com/polls/latest-2022-senate-election-polls/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by 17thfabn

[sunday]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

We wouldn't want nutjobs questioning the legitimacy of elections, now would we?

Looks like one must be a nutjob, of the gullible ilk, to trust on that kind of electoral process not being subverted.

[17thfabn]

1 minute ago, sunday said:

Looks like one must be a nutjob, of the gullible ilk, to trust on that kind of electoral process not being subverted.

It is strange that one of the U.S.'s political parties is so opposed to simple election security measures such as showing an ID or cleaning up the voting rolls occasionally. And yet they style themselves the defenders of the democratic process. 

You would think the self proclaimed DEFENDERS of DEMOCRACY would want elections to be so secure that no one could question their validity.

[sunday]

Well, if one considers the other party as an enemy of the democracy, any means should be valid to avoid the enemies of democracy winning an election.

See what happened with Trump - no new wars, economy healthy, low unemployment, i.e. things the defenders of the democracy had stated, several times, were not possible in the current times and were things of the past. That must not be repeated!