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Yama Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) On 9/11/2022 at 3:25 AM, TonyE said: Real Mikasa, encased in concrete since the 1920s. Here is a post-war picture btw, before restoration: Huh, didn't know she was gutted to that degree. I knew she didn't have real guns after she was decommissioned, but didn't know turrets were gone too. Mikasa was heavily rebuild after Russo-Japanese war as she actually suffered a magazine explosion and was partly destroyed As for Aurora, redoing the bottom was probably necessity. Even with Texas, they had to considerably replace plating etc. and at one point, framing was so rusted that part of the hull plating buckled in. Edited September 12, 2022 by Yama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) There was also the scouring of Texas’ hull by sand piled up around her. Edited September 12, 2022 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Yama said: Huh, didn't know she was gutted to that degree. I knew she didn't have real guns after she was decommissioned, but didn't know turrets were gone too. Mikasa was heavily rebuild after Russo-Japanese war as she actually suffered a magazine explosion and was partly destroyed Pre-war picture btw for comparison:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) On 9/11/2022 at 1:12 PM, Mikel2 said: How much of the Aurora is original? Whose idea was it to cut and scuttle the lower half of the ship?? There is little left of the original Aurora as ship was badly damaged during WW2. The lower half of the ship was built according to original specifications, which is not a bad solution if original half was corroded and damaged. The same is said about HMS Victory. How much of the original one is left? Wood will rot and needs replacing. Some photos of Aurora going to the dry dock: http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com/2014/09/el-historico-crucero-aurora-dique-seco.html Edited September 13, 2022 by alejandro_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/7/2022 at 12:29 AM, Harold Jones said: Is there anyone left who knows how to light the boilers, let alone get her under way? She has VTE engines and those are still used by museum ships including at least one Liberty ship. The state of her engines, that's going to make it a no go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 hours ago, alejandro_ said: There is little left of the original Aurora as ship was badly damaged during WW2. The lower half of the ship was built according to original specifications, which is not a bad solution if original half was corroded and damaged. The same is said about HMS Victory. How much of the original one is left? Wood will rot and needs replacing. Some photos of Aurora going to the dry dock: http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com/2014/09/el-historico-crucero-aurora-dique-seco.html The hull of the SS Great Britain looks like Swiss cheese. Had they made a perfect replica and tossed away the original, it would have been a tragedy. I hope to visit the Aurora some day, but I wish they had left it as it was, even if very deteriorated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/11/2022 at 2:12 AM, bojan said: Ah, fake Mikasa? The Chinese made a replica of a pre PDN battleship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: The Chinese made a replica of a pre PDN battleship. Good ol'Dingyuan: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike1158 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just what is going to happen to USS Texas now? Lots of 'stuff' in the interweb but frankly it goes around and around. Is she going to be saved or scrapped? Removal of most of the ship makes it relatively pointless imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Nearly 50 years ago I had the chance to tour the USS Texas. Back then we had the run of almost the entire ship. Though the turrets and magazines were off limits we were able to inspect the boiler and engine rooms. The size of those steam pistons impressed this then 15 year old, they remain my most lasting memory of the Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 9:49 AM, alejandro_ said: There is little left of the original Aurora as ship was badly damaged during WW2. The lower half of the ship was built according to original specifications, which is not a bad solution if original half was corroded and damaged. The same is said about HMS Victory. How much of the original one is left? Wood will rot and needs replacing. Some photos of Aurora going to the dry dock: http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com/2014/09/el-historico-crucero-aurora-dique-seco.html A surprisingly large amount, of the 1814 HMS Victory anyway. When she came back from Trafalgar she was shot to bits, and needed an extensive refit to make her seaworthy. Most of the Trafalgar Victory disappeared then. However there are at least 2 decks, including the one Nelson died on, that are from Trafalgar, never been relaid. So is the keel, minus a chunk that was lost from a close encounter with a German bomb in the Portsmouth Blitz. And of course, most remarkably, some of her sail's still survive, still shot through with French roundshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 12:58 PM, Mikel2 said: The hull of the SS Great Britain looks like Swiss cheese. Had they made a perfect replica and tossed away the original, it would have been a tragedy. I hope to visit the Aurora some day, but I wish they had left it as it was, even if very deteriorated. Indeed. To the point where they realised with the rate of decomposition, they were going to lose her. So in her dry dock, they put in a glass layer to create an impression of water (surprisingly successful) at her waterline, and put in an airtight seal, and keep her lower half sitting in the equivalent of Arizona maintained by dehumidifiers. Its not cheap (new technology has made it cheaper) but it seems to work. Im not sure its going to be viable to scale that up to the size of a battleship, but it would be an interesting though experiment to see what the costs would be. Probably cheaper than taking her into the body and fender shop every few decades perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike1158 Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 They are talking of removing the torpedo bulges, how much of a ship do they remove before it ceases to be that ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Classically, one should ask Odysseus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Mike1158 said: They are talking of removing the torpedo bulges, how much of a ship do they remove before it ceases to be that ship? To be which ship? The torpedo bulges were not part of the original design, they were added during the 1920s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P Allen Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I can only imagine the amount of money and work necessary to restore her to her original fit, but the result would be stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Steven P Allen said: I can only imagine the amount of money and work necessary to restore her to her original fit, but the result would be stunning! When he said the budget was $35M and that the budgeted money included patching her, raising her, clearing the mud from her and then towing her to Galveston I was left wondering how much money would be left for restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike1158 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 2:01 AM, DKTanker said: To be which ship? The torpedo bulges were not part of the original design, they were added during the 1920s. A good point I had failed to consider, mea culpa. Thanks for setting me straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 It is in Galveston and they are working hard on her. She might not being going back to San Jacinto, but to another port. I watched her whole trip from San Jacinto to Galveston on Youtube, it was great. I just wish I could have been part of the Sheriff's Office escort flotilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike1158 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Fingers crossed they get her to a state she can be more easily maintained in. She deserves to stick around another hundred years to remind us of what her crews achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Aft trimming tank, shows the keel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Torpedo blisters opened up, and looks like the overhaul is going well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Amazon made the delivery of the next torpedo blister... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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