Because, Spain

[Ivanhoe]

Could not find an existing thread, so welcome to the inaugural Becase, Spain;

 

C'mon Spain, you know what to do;

 

[sunday]

I think Tercio Alejandro Farnesio, IV of the Legión, stationed in nearby Ronda, has a hog as mascot.

You may see the critter in at this point of this video, shared last week:

 

[Markus Becker]

Oh how the mighty have fallen. The old time railway men would have gone all Torero on that Taurus. 

https://postimg.cc/svNqjs80

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Markus Becker

[sunday]

6 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

Oh how the mighty have fallen. The old time railway men would have gone all Torero on that Taurus. 

https://postimg.cc/svNqjs80

 

Not really. Those critters are really dangerous, and amateur toreros took to the job because of being hungry. Having a cushy job in railway maintenance precludes that.

[JWB]

 

[JWB]

 

[sunday]

Of course, that notorious leftist rag, the WaPo, is a reliable source about some foreign country.

[urbanoid]

WaPo on suicide watch because evil Spanish right wants to get rid of such wonderful, 'progressive' policies:

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Children as young as 16 can now change their legally registered gender without medical supervision or obtain an abortion without parental consent.

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She recently sought the advice of Christian Lawyers — a conservative activist group — after students at her 9-year-old son’s school were asked to wear purple ribbons to promote awareness of gender-based violence against women. (Vox argues violence has no gender, so women should not be singled out as victims.) She also objected to a lesson at her son’s school where children were shown a video of a boy who likes to paint his nails.

They say “that it’s normal, that it has to be normalized,” she said. But “it is easy to manipulate children at such a young age.”

And no LGBT flags on public buildings?

Edited July 21, 2023 by urbanoid

[RETAC21]

8 hours ago, JWB said:

 

Spain is Europe's most leftist country, but it's cloaked because the "conservative" party Partido Popular is actually a Socialdemocrat clone and "far-right" Vox is to the left of USian Republicans (not really Democrat but definitely RINO).

As you can guess where left and far-left sit, right there with Pol-Pot and Mao. And they thought they had this winning strategy in which the sheep were going to vote for them no matter what, but it seems they stepped on the collective genitalia with a law that put about a 100 convicted rapist on the street and reduced prison terms for at least a thousand more, after having a coalition with unapologetic terrorists (imagine IRA governing the UK), trying to destroy the independent judiciary and more stuff, to the tune of a weekly outrage for the last 5 years.

[sunday]

I introduce you to the, very Aryan, #2 of that far right party:

[seahawk]

Spanish fascism under Generalissimo Francisco Franco lacked the racists tendencies of other fascists movements. Vox at least seems a bit more competent than the German AfD and a lot less stupid.

[RETAC21]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

Spanish fascism under Generalissimo Francisco Franco lacked the racists tendencies of other fascists movements.

Vox at least seems a bit more competent than the German AfD and a lot less stupid.

1) They were different, but they were there, rather than targetting a single collective (though gipsies and LGBs collectives were discriminated against) they saw to elevate the concept of a Spanish Race above all others (not that it was incorrect, mind you... )

2) Vox represents mainly the classical Spanish catholic conservatism, even though it has some anti-European, alt-right attitudes in very specific issues.  

[BansheeOne]

Well, the Green-leaning German "tageszeitung", true to form, is already questioning whether one could still vacation in Spain if a PP/VOX government emerges (and also, climate change). 😁

[lucklucky]

On 7/21/2023 at 3:06 PM, seahawk said:

Spanish fascism under Generalissimo Francisco Franco lacked the racists tendencies of other fascists movements. Vox at least seems a bit more competent than the German AfD and a lot less stupid.

What were the racists tendencies of Fascism? 

[sunday]

1 hour ago, lucklucky said:

What were the racists tendencies of Fascism? 

If you mean Italian Fascism, you could see for yourself - some kind of paternalistic colonialism.

Antisemitism was not high in Fascist Italy until 1943.

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Although Italy was ruled by a Fascist government since 1922, antisemitsim was not part of the platform of Mussolini's party. Jews were granted an equal status in the Fascist state and until the mid 1930's Mussolini publicly criticized Germany's racial policies and supported Italy's Jews. This however was for pragmatic reasons, and behind the scenes the Fascist leadership, including Mussolini, held antisemitic views and were preparing the ground for the ousting of the Jews from society. Italy's moving closer to Germany and the creation of the Rome-Berlin Axis intensified this process. As of 1935 the press was permeated with antisemitic propaganda.

In 1938 anti-Jewish laws relating to all areas of life were enacted by Italy ousting Jewish students and teachers from schools; restricting the Jews' social, professional and economic existence; and revoking the citizenship of those who had been naturalized after 1919. In February 1940 Mussolini announced that within five years Italy would rid itself of the Jews.

Italy joined the war in June 1940. Foreign Jews who had not left Italy until that time were arrested and detained in camps.

At the same time, Italy refused to deliver the Jews residing in Italian controlled areas in France, Greece and Croatia for deportation. This stand was probably due to the Italians’ wish to demonstrate their independence and to rivalries between Italian authorities and their counterparts in those regions. In consequence, however, these areas became places of temporary refuge for Jews.

(...)

 

Edited July 23, 2023 by sunday

[seahawk]

On 7/21/2023 at 7:04 PM, BansheeOne said:

Well, the Green-leaning German "tageszeitung", true to form, is already questioning whether one could still vacation in Spain if a PP/VOX government emerges (and also, climate change). 😁

If the Spanish right rebuilds the Franco monument at "Las Raices" in Tenerife - I am going. And if they do not turn the Valle de los Caídos in a gender neutral anti fascist place, I am all for it. Not because I love fascism, but because such monuments are a part of history and should not be messed with. I am all for placing information boards at those locations, that put the monument into a historical context and that should be critical of the motivation behind the monument, but you should not mess with the monuments. They loose a lot of impact if changed, especially impact showing the negative sides of the regime.

[lucklucky]

15 hours ago, sunday said:

If you mean Italian Fascism, you could see for yourself - some kind of paternalistic colonialism.

Antisemitism was not high in Fascist Italy until 1943.

 

Please not english sources for Fascism with few exceptions they are all infected by WW2 . You might want to explain Mussolini Jew lover btw.

or why Umberto Pugliese the engineer responsable for the major ships of Regia Marina at time was a Jew.

Or why in WW2 French Jews escaped from Vichy controlled areas and went to Fascist controlled ones.

My point is that Fascism racial attitudes was no different than Western society at large. Nazism was of quite different nature in that domain but WW2 winners keep helping Socialists and cover how near Fascism they were and are.

Edited July 23, 2023 by lucklucky

[sunday]

The source on antisemitism is Israeli Yad Vashem.

Then there is the role Pope Pius XII played in saving Italian Jews, but he was not a Fascist, not a Nazi, despite what post-war Commie disinformation wanted us to believe.

Edited July 23, 2023 by sunday

[lucklucky]

Yes, but Israeli definition of Fascism is also not surprisingly mostly based on WW2 , still they note in the link you posted that Italians refused to hand over Jews that were not Italian citizens to Germans, while Vichy had no problems sending not only foreign but also French Jews to Germans.

That desinfo about Pope Pius XII was not only Communist based. Pretty much all Left was on it.

[bojan]

Italian fascism was not hard on Jews, but you can ask Croats and Slovenes what they think of it.

Edited July 24, 2023 by bojan

[seahawk]

So the conservatives won, well kind of as they still lack the majority even with Vox. But PSOE also lacks the necessary seats even together with Sumar, so in the end it looks like the Catalan independence parties will become King maker. (which means the left will probably form the next government, as they would never enter a coalition with Vox)

[lucklucky]

12 hours ago, bojan said:

Italian fascism was not hard on Jews, but you can ask Croats and Slovenes what they thing of it.

Weren't the Serbs that got the worse from Italian Fascism?

[sunday]

1 minute ago, lucklucky said:

Weren't the Serbs that got the worse from Italian Fascism?

Dunno, but after the war were massacres of Italians by Yugoslavs.

[urbanoid]

2 hours ago, seahawk said:

So the conservatives won, well kind of as they still lack the majority even with Vox. But PSOE also lacks the necessary seats even together with Sumar, so in the end it looks like the Catalan independence parties will become King maker. (which means the left will probably form the next government, as they would never enter a coalition with Vox)

Well, fuck.

[sunday]

23 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Well, fuck.

Indeed. Separatists are key again.