Because of George Soros

[17thfabn]

Let's argue about something different. Who is George Soros? What does he want?

Is he a saint who only wants the best for the world?

His Open Society Foundations. Yes it is plural, the S should be at the end . Sounds like a good thing. 

Others call him the man who broke the bank of England. Maybe not so good.

Some say U.S. prosecutors / district attorneys his money helped get elected are soft on crime and that is leading to the spike in crime in the U.S.

 

ADDED to INITIAL POST

Please keep this discussion civil and avoid Two things:

Attacking Mr. Soros because of his Jewish heritage.

Attacking others and calling them anti-Semitic if they simply criticize Mr. Soros and make no reference to his heritage.

Thanks for staying classy!!  And no I am not a moderator. 

Edited July 13, 2022 by 17thfabn

[sunday]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-hungary-soros-idUSKBN19V1J4

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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s foreign ministry has issued a statement denouncing U.S. billionaire George Soros, a move that appeared designed to align Israel more closely with Hungary ahead of a visit to Budapest next week by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/opinion/george-soros-israel-hungary.html

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The foreign ministry spokesman denied that the Israeli ambassador’s comments “meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros” by Mr. Orban’s government. Instead, the spokesman went on to attack the billionaire philanthropist for “continuously undermining Israel’s democratically elected governments,” by his funding of organizations “that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself.”

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Mr. Soros’s humanitarianism and universalism represent an expression of post-Holocaust Jewish identity that is anathema to the hard-line nationalism of Mr. Netanyahu’s governing coalition, which adheres to the classic Zionist mission that sought to end anti-Semitism and diaspora existence by gathering all Jews in the historic land of Israel. As in this case with Hungary, Mr. Netanyahu is increasingly aligning Israel with illiberal, autocratic states like Russia, Turkey and Egypt. The ultimate cynicism of such alliances is visible in Mr. Netanyahu’s willingness to tolerate the anti-Semitism of the global right-wing nationalist camp if it will bolster the Greater Israel movement.

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by sunday

[BansheeOne]

Few people know that Soros' real name is actually Emmanuel Goldstein. He had it legally changed in 1948 after George Orwell exposed him.

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Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators dedicated to the overthrow of the State…

[17thfabn]

7 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

 

I have not read 1984. 

But I believe Mr. Soros was an unknown boy or young man when it was published. So I doubt Orwell had any knowledge of him.

[MiloMorai]

10 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

I have not read 1984. 

But I believe Mr. Soros was an unknown boy or young man when it was published. So I doubt Orwell had any knowledge of him.

Soros was 19.

[17thfabn]

So an unknown young man.

[R011]

And that joke seems to have flown over some heads very rapidly at high altitude.

[sunday]

Or simply exploded in the launch pad, as bad jokes do.

[R011]

8 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Few people know that Soros' real name is actually Emmanuel Goldstein. He had it legally changed in 1948 after George Orwell exposed him.

Goldstein was fictional in and out of universe.  Soros actually exists and his funding has been key in electing influential yet comparatively low profile officials like school board members and prosecutors.  When a candidate is able to spend several time more that is usual in such elections while his opponents do not, that has an effect.  As for the Democratic Party in general, money does talk and Soros gives a lot, mostly to the left wing of that party.  One can overstate his influence, but one cannot deny it exists.

[MiloMorai]

1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

So an unknown young man.

Yup

[17thfabn]

ADDED to INITIAL POST

Please keep this discussion civil and avoid Two things:

Attacking Mr. Soros because of his Jewish heritage.

Attacking others and calling them anti-Semitic if they simply criticize Mr. Soros and make no reference to his heritage.

Thanks for staying classy!! 

I added this to my initial post to keep on topic and keep this thread from going in an ugly direction. 

I'm not a moderator I just want to stay away from trouble.

Edited July 13, 2022 by 17thfabn

[BansheeOne]

2 hours ago, R011 said:

Goldstein was fictional in and out of universe.  Soros actually exists and his funding has been key in electing influential yet comparatively low profile officials like school board members and prosecutors.  When a candidate is able to spend several time more that is usual in such elections while his opponents do not, that has an effect.  As for the Democratic Party in general, money does talk and Soros gives a lot, mostly to the left wing of that party.  One can overstate his influence, but one cannot deny it exists.

Injecting comparatively huge sums and expertise in local races to change the national landscape may have been a new idea regarding district attorneys and such, but not entirely ingenious; the GOP successfully did the same in their REDMAP project, pouring national ressources into more than 100 races for state legislatures which would redraw the voting districts in swing states in 2010. As a result they flipped ten of fifteen states targeted, and redistricting to favor Republican candidates was credited for contributing to their retaining control of the House of Representatives in 2012. Of course in either case it didn't take long for the opposite camp to note what was happening and counter the strategy, as evidenced by national conservative groups stepping up in recent DA and school board campaigns.

Regarding the national level, a quick search shows Soros was in tenth place of individual donors in 2016 (seventh among donors for Democrats), eighth (fifth) in 2018, 37th (15th) in 2020, and first so far this year - but then conservative top donor Sheldon Adelson who lead the list with 215 million to Soros' seven in 2020, 122 to 17 in 2018, and was second behind liberal Thomas Steyer in 2016 with 78 to 21 in 2016 hasn't stepped up yet. Overall, the American system of campaign donations obviously is another point which invites disproportionate influence on elections by individual actors, but is maintained because both sides appear to think they may exploit it better than the other. Soros is hardly unique either among liberal or conservative donors in that regard.

[NickM]

Thomas Steyer? The tech billionaire with "links to the Intel community "?

Now why the heck would a Tech billionaire with links to the intel community run for president to to thwart The 'God/Emperor'?

Edited July 14, 2022 by NickM

[DKTanker]

3 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

So an unknown young man.

He was known to his Nazi patrons.

[BansheeOne]

Oh yeah right, of course we were reliably informed a couple years ago that he was an officer in the SS. Which is quite an achievement given that he was 14 at war's end. It just shows there's no limit to what an aspiring young supervillain can achieve. Hence the Emmanuel Goldstein reference.

[DKTanker]

53 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

Regarding the national level, a quick search shows Soros was in tenth place of individual donors in 2016 (seventh among donors for Democrats), eighth (fifth) in 2018, 37th (15th) in 2020, and first so far this year - but then conservative top donor Sheldon Adelson who lead the list with 215 million to Soros' seven in 2020, 122 to 17 in 2018, and was second behind liberal Thomas Steyer in 2016 with 78 to 21 in 2016 hasn't stepped up yet. Overall, the American system of campaign donations obviously is another point which invites disproportionate influence on elections by individual actors, but is maintained because both sides appear to think they may exploit it better than the other. Soros is hardly unique either among liberal or conservative donors in that regard.

Liars figure and figures lie.  It is well known and understood that most of Soro's political financing is through 501 (C)(3) and 501 (C)(4) organizations, many of which his financial empire has created.  Those contributors and contributions won't be in your quaint table.  Moreover, Soros contributes to and finances many quasi or non political left to hard left organizations and unions such as:

• ACLU
• Amnesty International
• Brookings Institute
• Campus Progress
• Center for American Progress
• Center for Community Change
• Center for Economic and Policy Research
• Color of Change Democracy Alliance
• Drum Major Institute
• Media Fund
• Media Matters
• MoveOn.org
• National Abortion Federation
• NPR
• People Improving Communities Through Organizing
• Project Vote
• Psychologists for Social Responsibility
• Tides Foundation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BansheeOne]

So, found his SS membership card yet?

[sunday]

Some disclosure about being on the payroll or not of Soros, or some related corporation, NGO, non-profit, PAC, or the like, by posters on this thread could be useful.

For the record, I am not among those.

[R011]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

Oh yeah right, of course we were reliably informed a couple years ago that he was an officer in the SS. Which is quite an achievement given that he was 14 at war's end. It just shows there's no limit to what an aspiring young supervillain can achieve. Hence the Emmanuel Goldstein reference.

No one here has ever made that claim to my knowledge.  It has been claimed, based on Soros own words, that he was a Nazi collaborator.  This is true, though his actions seem to have been minimal and not necessarily voluntary.  His unsavoury career a currency dealer and manipulator, though, is not exaggerated.

[17thfabn]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

Oh yeah right, of course we were reliably informed a couple years ago that he was an officer in the SS. Which is quite an achievement given that he was 14 at war's end. It just shows there's no limit to what an aspiring young supervillain can achieve. Hence the Emmanuel Goldstein reference.

Banshe#1, I understand you are being sarcastic.  I agree it is highly unlikely a 14 year old boy Hungarian  was a key allie of the nazis or Hungarian fascist.

 

[DKTanker]

10 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

Banshe#1, I understand you are being sarcastic.  I agree it is highly unlikely a 14 year old boy Hungarian  was a key allie of the nazis or Hungarian fascist.

 

Not a key ally, but a self-admitted collaborator.

[MiloMorai]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

Not a key ally, but a self-admitted collaborator.

Collaborate or go to a camp. He handed out fliers.

[R011]

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

Collaborate or go to a camp. He handed out fliers.

By "fliers" you mean "deportation orders".  He later assisted his guardian in making inventories of Jewish properties to be seized.  At this time, he was successfully posing as a Christian to avoid deportation, so he was in no immediate danger of arrest.

Edited July 14, 2022 by R011

[MiloMorai]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

By "fliers" you mean "deportation orders".  He later assisted his guardian in making inventories of Jewish properties to be seized.  At this time, he was successfully posing as a Christian to avoid deportation, so he was in no immediate danger of arrest.

As anti-Semitism grew, George’s father Tivadar changed the Jewish family’s surname to Soros. Tivadar secured false Christian identity papers for his family. As Tivadar notes in his autobiography Masquerade, during the occupation of Hungary George was tasked by the Jewish Council, as all Jewish kids were, to deliver summons for Jewish families “to report tomorrow morning at 9 o’clock at the Rabbinical Seminary in Rokk Szildrd Street. Please bring with you a blanket, and food for two days.”

According to his father, George told the recipients not to oblige with the demand. Once Tivadar found out about the summons, he ordered his son to no longer deliver them.

[17thfabn]

2 hours ago, DKTanker said:

  It is well known and understood that most of SorMoreover, Soros contributes to and finances many quasi or non political left to hard left organizations and unions such as:

• ACLU
• Amnesty International
• Brookings Institute
• Campus Progress
• Center for American Progress
• Center for Community Change
• Center for Economic and Policy Research
• Color of Change Democracy Alliance
• Drum Major Institute
• Media Fund
• Media Matters
• MoveOn.org
• National Abortion Federation
• NPR
• People Improving Communities Through Organizing
• Project Vote
• Psychologists for Social Responsibility
• Tides Foundation.

There is Soros big dog. The Open Society Foundations. Soros funded this to the tune of $32 Billion!

So for good or ill The Open Society Foundation is probably the best measure of Mr. Soros.

From the Open Society Foundations Web site:

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

George Soros is the founder and chair of the Open Society Foundations. He has given away more than $32 billion of his personal fortune to fund the Open Society Foundations’ work around the world.