lucklucky Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Vivaldi browser translate corrected by me Quote Defense made various demands on the successor to the C-130. Research made the C-390M look better than Lockheed Martin's C-130J, which was seen as an alternative. For example, the availability of the C-390M is higher, the device scores better on a number of operational and technical requirements and requires less maintenance. In addition, the C-390M with 4 devices(airplanes) can already meet the minimum requirement of 2,400 flight hours. The C-130J needs 5 devices(airplanes) for this. https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2022/06/16/defensie-vindt-opvolger-voor-c-130-hercules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJE Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Not so much the end of the C-130, but rather that Fokker doesn't do C-130 maintenance in Europe... Embraer and Fokker join up for defense, development and support opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) It's not entirely surprising that an airplane that first flew in 2015 requires less maintenance than an airplane that first flew in 1954. Edited June 17, 2022 by Dawes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 Yes and have 2 less engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 1:16 AM, Dawes said: It's not entirely surprising that an airplane that first flew in 2015 requires less maintenance than an airplane that first flew in 1954. What? There are 1954 components in the current C-130? Haven't they done at least one near total redesign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 The C-130J is 30 years old, that's more than long enough to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hurricane Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 If you want an example of C-130 longevity try the RNZAF.....our current C-130H's were purchased in 1965 and are finally being replaced by C-130J's in 2024. That's 59 years !!! The airframes have been totally refurbished/reskinned (more than once?) but are now becoming very hard to maintain. Likewise with our P-3K2 Orions which have been round since 1966 are now being replaced by P-8's, the first of which is due in service late this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 And at the same time NZ is one of the few happy users of the NH-90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) I don’t think the two are an apples to apples comparison. In any case, if C130 production stopped tomorrow the type is prolific enough it would still probably be supported for almost half a century. Partially due to its relatively successful design and partially due to the US always being a steady customer. Barely anyone operates MiG-29s; F-16s still have new sales. Edited June 23, 2022 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 MiG-29 has like 20 operators, which is pretty nice given its production ended in 1991 and it still gets new sales, if you count the MiG-29M -line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Quick comparison all medium transport aircraft available in the market (current and future). From top to bottom length, wingspan, height, weight, cargo weight and size of cargo bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Cargo bay dimensions are L x W x H or L x H x W? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, alejandro_ said: Quick comparison all medium transport aircraft available in the market (current and future). From top to bottom length, wingspan, height, weight, cargo weight and size of cargo bay. What are the units used for the C-130 weights? Somehow I doubt they are tons--pounds?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, shep854 said: What are the units used for the C-130 weights? Somehow I doubt they are tons--pounds?? It is in tons, I forgot to mention that in Spanish decimals are marked with , and thousands with . ie the opposite. C-130: 74.393 tons (long tons). Quote Cargo bay dimensions are L x W x H or L x H x W It should be L x W x H except for KC-390, where it is in L x H x W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 7 hours ago, alejandro_ said: It is in tons, I forgot to mention that in Spanish decimals are marked with , and thousands with . ie the opposite. C-130: 74.393 tons (long tons). That's kind of what I thought, but the additional digit had me wondering. Use of commas where we Americans use decimals seems to be the norm in most of Europe. It should be L x W x H except for KC-390, where it is in L x H x W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 6/20/2022 at 9:17 AM, Argus said: The C-130J is 30 years old, that's more than long enough to make a difference. Introduced in 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanoid Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 1:16 AM, Dawes said: It's not entirely surprising that an airplane that first flew in 2015 requires less maintenance than an airplane that first flew in 1954. Not necessarily, it's' hard to say which of the two, with both produced in 2022, requires less maintenance. We'll see, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 5:15 AM, urbanoid said: Introduced in 1999. First flight '96, and I was working on structural bits back in 93-94ish. 30 was a generalisation, but not far off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 https://www.janes.com/defence-news/austria-attends-kc-390-user-meeting-ahead-of-c-130k-replacement-decision/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 Confirmed https://www.airdatanews.com/austria-confirms-acquisition-of-four-embraer-c-390-millennium/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Apparently the aircraft can recover on very small landing strips because it is Brazilian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Hard to miss what you did there. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 First KC 390 arrives to Portugal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) South Korea pick C-390 to replace C-130 https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2023/12/04/south-korea-picks-embraers-c-390-for-military-transport-aircraft/ Edit: In competition there were C-130 and A400M Edited December 5, 2023 by lucklucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Has the US done any serious work on a Herk replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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