Green Energy, and the German Grid, from: Kiev Is Burning

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[JWB]

How Britain’s offshore wind industry ran out of puff (msn.com)

[JWB]

Forget Oil. New Wildcatters Are Drilling For Limitless ‘Geologic’ Hydrogen (msn.com)

[sunday]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

Forget Oil. New Wildcatters Are Drilling For Limitless ‘Geologic’ Hydrogen (msn.com)

That would be some good news. The article glosses over the many difficulties of handling hydrogen, however.

[Colin]

6 minutes ago, sunday said:

That would be some good news. The article glosses over the many difficulties of handling hydrogen, however.

We have a hydrogen equipped gas station down the road from us, only one I am aware of.

[Harold Jones]

3 hours ago, Colin said:

We have a hydrogen equipped gas station down the road from us, only one I am aware of.

The only one I've ever seen in the wild was at the San Jose, Ca airport.  

[Colin]

47 minutes ago, Harold Jones said:

The only one I've ever seen in the wild was at the San Jose, Ca airport.  

A lot of fuss about one station, and needs significant subsidies to survive https://www.htec.ca/htec-and-7-eleven-canada-open-hydrogen-fueling-station-in-north-vancouver/#:~:text=VANCOUVER%2C June 25%2C 2020 –,in the Westview Shopping Centre.

Apparently now 3 in Vancouver and one on Vancouver Island

https://www.htec.ca/hydrogen-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/

Edited June 26, 2023 by Colin

[sunday]

Wonder what their running costs are. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, thus it is difficult to contain.

[Colin]

12 minutes ago, sunday said:

Wonder what their running costs are. Hydrogen is a very small molecule, thus it is difficult to contain.

I suspect when everything is new, it fine, it's when things are 15-20 years old comes the problems

[JWB]

7 hours ago, sunday said:

That would be some good news. The article glosses over the many difficulties of handling hydrogen, however.

I suspect most of it will be used to directly generate electricity at the point where it has been found.  If the article is accurate H will be found almost everywhere.

[Ivanhoe]

2 hours ago, JWB said:

I suspect most of it will be used to directly generate electricity at the point where it has been found.  If the article is accurate H will be found almost everywhere.

It is found everywhere, the problem being the net cost per Joule vs other energy storage/source forms. 

 

[Ssnake]

If carbon-based energy forms are being taxed out of the market as is the clear intention of many states, it might be made economically viable.

[sunday]

6 hours ago, JWB said:

I suspect most of it will be used to directly generate electricity at the point where it has been found.  If the article is accurate H will be found almost everywhere.

There have been some thoughts of using gas pipelines to convey hydrogen, if those could be adapted. Hydrogen tends to attack steel.

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, Ssnake said:

If carbon-based energy forms are being taxed out of the market as is the clear intention of many states, it might be made economically viable.

Millions might also starve to death, without petro-based fertilizers. 

Engineering decisions are being made by activists, which rarely ends well as seen during the recent news story.

[sunday]

38 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Millions might also starve to death, without petro-based fertilizers. 

Engineering decisions are being made by activists, which rarely ends well as seen during the recent news story.

If a government needs to tax something in order to make an alternative to be seen as "economically viable", then that alternative is not, and could not be, economically viable, and that country will be compelled to apply suboptimal means to solve a problem.

There was that Reagan quote:

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Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

 

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

Millions might also starve to death, without petro-based fertilizers.

Sure, but I'm less certain what that's got to do with heating and electricity generation.

[JWB]

Also:

https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-hydrogen-earth-may-hold-vast-stores-renewable-carbon-free-fuel

[Markus Becker]

10 hours ago, Ssnake said:

If carbon-based energy forms are being taxed out of the market as is the clear intention of many states, it might be made economically viable.

No it only hands an economic advantage to other countries who don't do that. 

And it's deeply anti social as the lower classes suffer first and most. 

Some Luisa and Clara who were literally born with a golden spoon in their mouth can afford more expensive food, mobility an so in without changing their luxury lifestyle. 

[DB]

Saw a group test of electric vehicles today. It's a bit of a bullsh*t test, because they just drive up a motorway until they run out of electrons, but it's really an excuse to sell a car purchasing service and for the channel host to decide that he prefers the VW Buzz to the others, even though it's objectively worse in all practical areas and the bit he likes is the outside, which he can't see when he's driving it.

Anyway... the cheapest of these cars, which all had between 200 and 290 miles range, was about £43,000, for the base model.

For comparison the cheapest petrol engine car in the UK lists at about £12,600 (it's awful, but it will take you further than 200 miles.)

in comparison, I also watched a video by a Norwegian EV reviewer who took a Tesla on a long-ish journey. Rather than playing silly games by draining the battery from full as a gimmick, instead he planned his journey based on average consumption between charging poitns and instead of charging to 100%, he charged until the charging rate became too time=-prohibitive, drove until minimum charge and refuelled again. he averaged higher speeds than the above group test managed, over the course of 1000km and didn't need the Automobile Association to pick his car up from a field.

[sunday]

Well, considering how was our attempt to charge a car in Arnhem...

Edited June 27, 2023 by sunday

[Markus Becker]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Well, considering how was our attempt to charge a car in Arnhem...

Well, it demonstrated the issues nicely. Plus the parking ticket machines were at least as evil. 

[sunday]

5 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Well, it demonstrated the issues nicely. Plus the parking ticket machines were at least as evil. 

That Dutch guy that tried to help us was a quite nice person, however.

[JWB]

‘Dead Without Water’: Massive Desert Solar Projects Are Sucking Up Groundwater, Angering Locals (msn.com)

[Tim Sielbeck]

How very green of them:

 

 

[Tim Sielbeck]