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3 hours ago, Strannik said:

 

 

 

If Russia is ready to present "evidence" while the pipeline outgassing hasn't even stopped and a proper investigation hasn't even started, it is because of the, at this point, utterly boring shtick to bury the emerging truth under heaps of prefab bullshit. You've been posting your theory that "Biden did it" since about five minutes after the news broke by regurgitating random Twitter shit execreted by people whose asses are otherwise presumably plugged solid  by Putins arms to direct them like sock puppets. (Well, some of them may just suffer from such severe cases of BDS that they rather fellate Putin than to entertain the thought that Biden might not be simultaenously a doddering mental case and evil matermind - just like other people apparently did with Reagan).

 

Seriously, I'm wondering what motivates you to turn yourself into a willing tool to do nothing but regurgitate and multiply Russian propaganda BS. Do you hate the society in which you live so much? That must be crippling.

Roman, I understand him. He's pusting just as much BS, but at least it's the kind of BS that lets him sleep at night and feel good about what horrible things his country does, or at least it's a "Right or Wrong, my country" kind of mentality; still horrid, but at least somewhat relatable. But what's in it for you? Do you think you're The One to peek behind the curtain and have access to "the true truth"? Better erections?

Dude, it's pathetic and sad, really. 80% of your 600 posts in the last ten months, and without exception to support and justify Putin's war of aggression, belitte and vilify the defenders, downplay the suffering, pushing absurdist MI6 conspiracy stories. It's about as fascinating as watching someone scoop a handful of dog shit and eat it.

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20 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

You've been posting your theory that "Biden did it" since about five minutes after the news broke ...

Let me ask you this.  Last January when Under Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, said that NS 2 wouldn't be allowed to go on line, why was there no push back by the German Government?  Last February when US President Joseph Biden promised that NS 2 would be destroyed should Russia invade Ukraine was there no push back by anybody, much less your country?

Today when Joseph Biden was asked about the allegations he simply said that what Putin said wasn't true.  What Biden didn't say, without equivocation, is that the United States had absolutely nothing to do with it.

I think rationally you have to start the investigation with the person or agency that promised exactly what has occurred.  Maybe the US had absolutely nothing to do with it, but until there is evidence of another player (evidence, not emotional outbursts and appeals to emotion) I think we have to first go with the confessed.  Come to think of it, perhaps your sense of denial is fueled by the idea that if it is true the US did the deed, or caused it to happen, it almost certainly could only have occurred with the German government in the know and concurrence.

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5 hours ago, Ssnake said:

 

If Russia is ready to present "evidence" while the pipeline outgassing hasn't even stopped and a proper investigation hasn't even started, it is because of the, at this point, utterly boring shtick to bury the emerging truth under heaps of prefab bullshit. You've been posting your theory that "Biden did it" since about five minutes after the news broke by regurgitating random Twitter shit execreted by people whose asses are otherwise presumably plugged solid  by Putins arms to direct them like sock puppets. (Well, some of them may just suffer from such severe cases of BDS that they rather fellate Putin than to entertain the thought that Biden might not be simultaenously a doddering mental case and evil matermind - just like other people apparently did with Reagan).

 

Seriously, I'm wondering what motivates you to turn yourself into a willing tool to do nothing but regurgitate and multiply Russian propaganda BS. Do you hate the society in which you live so much? That must be crippling.

Roman, I understand him. He's pusting just as much BS, but at least it's the kind of BS that lets him sleep at night and feel good about what horrible things his country does, or at least it's a "Right or Wrong, my country" kind of mentality; still horrid, but at least somewhat relatable. But what's in it for you? Do you think you're The One to peek behind the curtain and have access to "the true truth"? Better erections?

Dude, it's pathetic and sad, really. 80% of your 600 posts in the last ten months, and without exception to support and justify Putin's war of aggression, belitte and vilify the defenders, downplay the suffering, pushing absurdist MI6 conspiracy stories. It's about as fascinating as watching someone scoop a handful of dog shit and eat it.

Remarkable

 

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5 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Let me ask you this.  Last January when Under Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, said that NS 2 wouldn't be allowed to go on line, why was there no push back by the German Government?  Last February when US President Joseph Biden promised that NS 2 would be destroyed should Russia invade Ukraine was there no push back by anybody, much less your country?

Because that's not what they said, and what they actually said was agreed with the German government. You really know that of course, you're just swallowing decades-old anti-American nonsense how the US secretly wants to destroy Europe which has been going around European fringe circles forever, just coated with contemporary American hyperpartisan politics so you take it unquestioningly.

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4 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Because that's not what they said, and what they actually said was agreed with the German government. You really know that of course, you're just swallowing decades-old anti-American nonsense how the US secretly wants to destroy Europe which has been going around European fringe circles forever, just coated with contemporary American hyperpartisan politics so you take it unquestioningly.

That is what they said and as for the rest of your screed, you're projecting utter bullshit.

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I'm sure you have a quote on Biden promising destruction then because i only heard about ending it, and the end came half a year ago. The interpretation that he actually meant physical destruction is just conspiracy theory garbage.

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4 minutes ago, jmsaari said:

I'm sure you have a quote on Biden promising destruction then because i only heard about ending it, and the end came half a year ago. The interpretation that he actually meant physical destruction is just conspiracy theory garbage.

Of course, of course.

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15 hours ago, Strannik said:

US counterclaim

 

 

 

I find myself strangely drawn to a "photograph" of Colin Powell with a desperately poorly photoshopped drawing attached.

I mean, if you're going to be so out of ideas and resources that you resort to stealing aerial photographs taken by a Canberra out of RAF Luton, you could at least provide appropriate attribution.

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23 hours ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

if anybody wanted it fixed we'd send remote operated vehicles with cameras to assess the damage.  Don't you guys ever watch Expedition Unknown or Expedition X?  They're low budget entertainment shows and they have the hardware to do this.

The pipelines DO have shut offs.  They're not a single tube from the magic well all the way to the end user.  If nothing else, Russia is more than capable of shutting off the flow. That's been a topic of discussion here for months if not years.

The most pressure that can be on the pipe when it is ruptured is the pressure that is applied by the water.  The pressure applied by the gas itself goes upward, not sideways.  By their very nature anything that can dive in the water is protected by the water pressure.

I'm not entirely certain that the gas itself has a density that makes it dangerous over open water.  It may burn if ignited but it isn't likely to explode if ignited.  It certainly can't ignite itself at atmospheric density.

Not sure how realistic that really would be. Visibility is poor in the baltic, you'd need to get withing 10 feet or closer to see much even in calm water, in this case massive upwards surge of gas pulling a lot of water up, and replacement water flowing in disturbing the sediments would reduce visibility to next to nothing. You'd have to get the UUV right at the point of breach and somehow keep it there... just doesn't sound doable to me until the gas flow is much reduced from what the videos of surface show.

 

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it may  be all that you say is true.  It's possible that there's no way to explore the damage until the gas flow stops.  I can accept all that as plausible or even factual.

Now, are you asking me to accept the fact that there is NO MECHANISM for stopping the gas flow anywhere between the start of the pipeline and the break in it?

To clarify, a bunch of engineers got together and designed a pipeline with NO SAFETY MECHANISM anywhere in it in case of a failure.  Doesn't that seem just a little bit unusual?  We aren't talking about a pipe that's ten meters long, the Nordstreams are seriously long pipes and at no place there's a shut off?

The only way that I'd believe that is if the design team was from Microsoft.

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1 hour ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

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Now, are you asking me to accept the fact that there is NO MECHANISM for stopping the gas flow anywhere between the start of the pipeline and the break in it?

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I looked the topic a little bit and found that Schlumberger makes subsea valves up to 42" bore, so it seems it would have been possible to put some isolation valves in the pipe.

It is possible that the pipelines are only depressurizing the affected stretches between two valves, but without access to the project documentation we could only speculate.

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15 hours ago, Ssnake said:

If Russia is ready to present "evidence" while the pipeline outgassing hasn't even stopped and a proper investigation hasn't even started, it is because of the, at this point, utterly boring shtick to bury the emerging truth under heaps of prefab bullshit. You've been posting your theory that "Biden did it" since about five minutes after the news broke by regurgitating random Twitter shit execreted by people whose asses are otherwise presumably plugged solid  by Putins arms to direct them like sock puppets

I don't know what "evidence" Russians have (just posted their "claim") and of course we will see them if they ever present it and we will see how credible it will be. 

Personally I don't believe we will ever get the court grade level of proof as to who did it - both sides likely had access to explosives of each other, so not sure what "hard" proof will prove and there is no neutral third party left with desire let alone the means to be the arbiter here.

So all we have NOW are previous US officials past threats/promises - these are the only FACTS, motives and circumstantial evidence and they all pretty much point to the US/proxy.

And yes, I read you contortionistic arguments and yes, I consider them bullshit.  Heck, they are not even as clever as the ones posted by various western pundits on Twitter that I brought into this thread.

So at this point I am just having fun with some of the art and jokes found on Twatter and can care less what you or the person with ASS in the avatar thinks.

 

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@Ssnake said:

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Well, some of them may just suffer from such severe cases of BDS that they rather fellate Putin than to entertain the thought that Biden might not be simultaenously a doddering mental case and evil matermind - just like other people apparently did with Reagan).

I am not sure if you understand how ridiculous your argument is here:

"Biden is a mental case -  so can't be the evil mastermind" 

1. Biden doesn't have to be a mastermind even if he would be in a perfect mental form and have an IQ of 200 - presidents don't do everything themselves.  In fact often (in US) they don't even decide everything.

 Seriously, are you that simple or you think we will accept this as a proof that US couldn't do anything malevolent because the POTUS is having dementia?

 

2. Here is a high ranking US official without any mental issue (that we know of) promising the same

 

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37 minutes ago, Harold Jones said:

Wouldn't the pipeline operator (gazprom I believe) be the one controlling those valves?

I just don't see anyone putting extra safety valves into a seabed pipeline. These days they could probably remote-controlled from shore, but the usual procedure would likely be to shut off the line where it enters the sea and wait for it to vent, which is what is happening here (because the lines were shut even before they were destroyed). There was a rupture in the Gulf of Mexico last year where the gas ignited and burned for five hours, and that was just a twelve-inch pipe; Nord Stream uses 45 inch diameter.

Anyway, there may soon be investigations on scene, as Nord Stream 2 has reportedly stopped outgassing, earlier than anticipated.

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15 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Seriously, I'm wondering what motivates you to turn yourself into a willing tool to do nothing but regurgitate and multiply Russian propaganda BS. Do you hate the society in which you live so much? That must be crippling.

Roman, I understand him. He's pusting just as much BS, but at least it's the kind of BS that lets him sleep at night and feel good about what horrible things his country does, or at least it's a "Right or Wrong, my country" kind of mentality; still horrid, but at least somewhat relatable. But what's in it for you? Do you think you're The One to peek behind the curtain and have access to "the true truth"? Better erections?

First of all I do not regurgitate.¬† ¬†You either haven't been following my posts or just being –į slanderer.

I even allow for 10% for the unlikely bizarre logic that Russians did the NSx in.

 

 

Second, But what's in it for me?

Unlike you I was born and grew up in Kiev. 

Some of my ancestors were buried in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar, others volunteered, despite the conscription exemption, and fought and died.

So it pains me to see what happened to that place during last 20 years and how the extreme nationalists who captured the power have been threatening/brainwashing people and now basically turned Ukraine into anti-Russian forpost.

I do get it that in the geopolitical struggle all methods are game and that's why your country gave the cover to Ukraine since 2015 (Minsk)  and now sends in the arms.

You would expected Germans (you are German, aren't you?) at least have an aversion to the toxic nationalists whose army/nat. guard units openly and in mass cosplay Wehrmacht and SS, but apparently it's too much to ask nowadays.

So AFAIC:

- you are very low on the moral totem pole

- in fact you can stick that whole pole up your German (or not - see I allow for possibilities :) ass

and your ridiculous sexual innuendos are just pathetic (unless they are your projections as well: I  know some love German WW2 uniform - in which case it's understandable)

 

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4 hours ago, jmsaari said:

I'm sure you have a quote on Biden promising destruction then because i only heard about ending it, and the end came half a year ago. The interpretation that he actually meant physical destruction is just conspiracy theory garbage.

Biden actually said he would "end" Nordstream by imposing sanctions on the company.

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