Green Energy, and the German Grid, from: Kiev Is Burning

[DB]

2 minutes ago, Strannik said:

because I quoted BansheOne (who used the "camp") in my post and you should've paid attention instead of quadrupling down...

As far as I can see, neither of you seems to be entirely competent in the use of English, so arguing about relatively fine points of understanding is even more ridiculous than your usual nonsense, but from this viewpoint it looks like a lame-ass excuse for arguing about nothing, for a purpose that is either very obscure or, more likely, a deliberate attempt at deflection of the direction of the discussion, which was, "whodunnit?"

[Strannik]

The gas saga to be continued?

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Strannik

[Strannik]

2 minutes ago, DB said:

but from this viewpoint it looks like a lame-ass excuse for arguing about nothing, for a purpose that is either very obscure or, more likely, a deliberate attempt at deflection of the direction of the discussion, which was, "whodunnit?"

Wow, first I thought you are just holier than thou pompous ass and now have to add the "paranoid" attribute.  What were my posts here about during the last hour?  

Edited September 27, 2022 by Strannik

[Strannik]

 

 

 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, DB said:

Given that the Russians are not pumping gas through the pipelines at the moment, just how long before these leaks stop?

I might wonder if one of the designs of such pipelines is that they be pressurized to help avoid water ingress. Even if not flowing NG, they might be kept at a min constant pressure. 
 

If the gas inside leaks out then water gets inside and purging the lines might be a serious chore after the cut is fixed. 

[rmgill]

I can't see a carrier battle group as a good working system for an undersea demolition. But using it as noise cover for an underwater system and emergency assets for recovery via helo could work. 
 

If this is what happened it'd be a really Ham fisted move on the Biden admin's part. 
 

God I hope this is not the sock puppet's idea of helping Europe along. 

[urbanoid]

19 minutes ago, Strannik said:

The gas saga to be continued?

So Orban gets his, or rather doesn't get his? Yes, please!

PS. That gas is still flowing through Ukraine is one of absurdities of this war, for both sides.

Edited September 27, 2022 by urbanoid

[Strannik]

16 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

So Orban gets his, or rather doesn't get his? Yes, please!

PS. That gas is still flowing through Ukraine is one of absurdities of this war, for both sides.

Hungary receive gas via TurkStream .  Stay jealous 😋

Edited September 27, 2022 by Strannik

[DKTanker]

8 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

So Orban gets his, or rather doesn't get his? Yes, please!

PS. That gas is still flowing through Ukraine is one of absurdities of this war, for both sides.

The TAP (Trans Arabian Pipeline)which runs through Israel was never disrupted during either the Six Day War or the October War.  As I recall Israel continued to receive royalty payments as well.  It's as if people on both sides know that: 

So You Gotta Hang On 'Til Tomorrow, Come What May
Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I Love You, Tomorrow
You're Always A Day Away
Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I Love You, Tomorrow
You're Always A Day Away

[urbanoid]

Right, they changed the route a year ago. So I guess they'll be showered with ostentatious favors this winter.

[urbanoid]

2 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

The TAP (Trans Arabian Pipeline)which runs through Israel was never disrupted during either the Six Day War or the October War.  As I recall Israel continued to receive royalty payments as well.  It's as if people on both sides know that: 

So You Gotta Hang On 'Til Tomorrow, Come What May
Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I Love You, Tomorrow
You're Always A Day Away
Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I Love You, Tomorrow
You're Always A Day Away

Very nice of the Juice indeed.

[DB]

55 minutes ago, Strannik said:

Wow, first I thought you are just holier than thou pompous ass and now have to add the "paranoid" attribute.  What were my posts here about during the last hour?  

They seemed to be about the word "camp" and a little hissy-fit with urbanoid when his narrative didn't match yours, but it's difficult to tell when neither your grammar nor your vocabulary stretch much past the use of the word "moron" when you disagree with someone. Tell me, are you a product of the NYC public education system, or did you have the benefit of skipping school entirely?

[Strannik]

8 minutes ago, DB said:

They seemed to be about the word "camp" and a little hissy-fit with urbanoid when his narrative didn't match yours, but it's difficult to tell when neither your grammar nor your vocabulary stretch much past the use of the word "moron" when you disagree with someone. Tell me, are you a product of the NYC public education system, or did you have the benefit of skipping school entirely?

Credit is where a credit due - good English grammar is your only redeeming quality.  Move along now

Edited September 27, 2022 by Strannik

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#Gazprom telegram post paving the way for sanctions against @NaftogazUkraine:

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[crazyinsane105]

3 hours ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

I think it's obviously a demonstration of a certain non-nuclear retaliation capability against critical infrastructure in Europe.

This first attack didn't have much economic effects, because the pipelines weren't in use, but the capability can potentially be used in the North Sea, too, where the crucial pipelines from Norway are.

This is why I expect some dramatic fleet actions there in the coming days.

The fact the Russians attacked their own pipeline and blew the only chance they probably had to hit an actual pipeline that is being used bewilders me a bit, because now NATO will be actively patrolling and be more alert 

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, rmgill said:

I can't see a carrier battle group as a good working system for an undersea demolition. But using it as noise cover for an underwater system and emergency assets for recovery via helo could work. 
 

If this is what happened it'd be a really Ham fisted move on the Biden admin's part. 
 

God I hope this is not the sock puppet's idea of helping Europe along. 

Seems highly unlikely.  The US posture right now is one of deterrence without lateral escalation.  Blowing up a Russian pipeline would be insane because it cuts across the US policy and introduces a form of covert warfare with energy supply that Europe has no interest in perpetuating.  

Edited September 27, 2022 by glenn239

[glenn239]

18 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said:

The fact the Russians attacked their own pipeline and blew the only chance they probably had to hit an actual pipeline that is being used bewilders me a bit, because now NATO will be actively patrolling and be more alert 

If the EU's energy supply is interdicted then the EU's economy will collapse and NATO will blow apart.  What is the source for confusion?

 

 

[DKTanker]

17 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Seems highly unlikely.  The US posture right now is one of deterrence without lateral escalation.  Blowing up a Russian pipeline would be insane because it cuts across the US policy and introduces a form of covert warfare with energy supply that Europe has no interest in perpetuating.  

Yes, well, twice in less than a year the US administration stated as fact it would unequivocally put an end to Nord Stream.  Today, when given a chance, the presidential spox declined to deny US involvement with the explosions.

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, DB said:

They seemed to be about the word "camp" and a little hissy-fit with urbanoid when his narrative didn't match yours...[snip]

There's no fighting in the war room!

[Strannik]

 

 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Seems highly unlikely.  The US posture right now is one of deterrence without lateral escalation.  Blowing up a Russian pipeline would be insane because it cuts across the US policy and introduces a form of covert warfare with energy supply that Europe has no interest in perpetuating.  

Maskirovka isn't just for Russian speakers. 
 

I am trying to suss this out. 
 

For one I can't put it past the Biden sock puppet regime for really bad strategic thinking. See also Afghanistan. It severs any chance for Central Europe to go back with Russia if they decide that its too painful to be away, like A battered woman going back to the man that is abusive be he still loves her. 
 

On the other hand, if Central Europe is officially done with Russia as an energy source, then I can see this as Putin's bid for permanently severing the supply, Maximizing the short term hurt for Central Europe, warning eastern Europe and making good hay for local consumption. Kinda like the shit ex bf who throws her crap out  but makes it like it was her new Boy friend who came and took it.