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35 minutes ago, NickM said:

Pardon my French but what is biomass?

Biological mass - the use of palm products, like palm oil or wood, or animal waste to generate electricity.

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2 hours ago, NickM said:

Pardon my French but what is biomass?

Over here, mostly logging residues, bark and sawdust, and black liquor as the single most important one (that would be a residue from chemical pulping of wood for producing cellulose for paper, not Jägermeister...).

The green party has become increasingly critical about forest biomass energy use although it's renewable, claiming CO2 emissions, biodiversity & carbon sink concerns - ignoring the fact that no forest is ever felled for burning, but producing lumber leaves much of the tree in the form of residues for which no other use is feasible, and which will in any case decompose into CO2 & H2O in a relatively short time.  But it works as an effective rallying topic for the greens : it's easy to get green-inclined minds to oppose burning the homes of squirrels, and counting on people not to spend a bit of time looking up the facts behind a matter for which they have an instinctive emotional reaction rarely fails, after all. 

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6 hours ago, NickM said:

What next? Whale oil?

America has an obesity problem. That's all I'm saying...

 

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1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

America has an obesity problem. That's all I'm saying...

 

soylent green power is people?

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Kazakhstan wants bigger share of the EU hydrocarbon market and suggests alternative routes, i.e. bypassing Russia. Yet another great win of brilliant strategist Putin and other Russian loons, thugs and loony thugs questioning Kazakh statehood, nationhood and warning about various 'consequences' of not being a good little minion of Moscow.

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Phone conversation with President of the European Council Charles Michel

July 4, 2022

President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev had a phone conversation with President of the European Council Mr. Charles Michel.

President of Kazakhstan warmly recalled a meeting held with President Michel in Brussels in November 2021, and underlined the importance of implementing the agreements reached.

The Head of State noted that Kazakhstan was the first country in Central Asia to sign an Enhanced Partnership and Cooperation Agreement with the European Union, which upgraded our relations to a new level. Our country is committed to developing sustainable ties with the EU, Kazakhstan’s largest trading partner.

During the conversation, the parties discussed the topical issues of the regional and global agenda. In particular, they expressed concern regarding the escalating food crisis.

Kassym-Jomart Tokayev stressed the importance of concerted efforts to ease the ongoing global tensions and launch a confidential dialogue on the most pressing issues.

“Kazakhstan could contribute by acting as a “buffer market” between East and West, South and North,” the Head of State said regarding the deepening geo-economic fractures.

The President also called on the European Union to cooperate in developing alternative transcontinental corridors, including the Trans-Caspian International Transport Route.

Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has also expressed concern about the risks to global energy security and emphasized Kazakhstan’s readiness to use its hydrocarbon potential to stabilize the situation in the world and European markets.

The Head of State reaffirmed Kazakhstan’s commitment to the international community’s efforts in bringing sustainable peace to Afghanistan and providing assistance to that country.

In conclusion, President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev reiterated his invitation to Charles Michel to pay a reciprocal visit to Kazakhstan.

https://www.akorda.kz/en/phone-conversation-with-president-of-the-european-council-charles-michel-464718

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Hell of a pipe to build - through Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan,Georgia, Black Sea, Romania. I wonder how long would it take, sounds like tremendous task. I'd rather we don't have to build it and turn to nuclear/ renewable if possible, that would be one less of crucial dependencies. But if we can't, by all means let's build it! There's a lot of gas in Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan too.

What's fascinating about that project is that quite possibly it would mean direct pipe connection of Europe and China, as Kazakhs are building pipes in that direction too. Talk about globalization...

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2 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Kazakhstan wants bigger share of the EU hydrocarbon market and suggests alternative routes, i.e. bypassing Russia. Yet another great win of brilliant strategist Putin and other Russian loons, thugs and loony thugs questioning Kazakh statehood, nationhood and warning about various 'consequences' of not being a good little minion of Moscow.

But in the meantime, pipe dreams aside and considering routes that actually exist this year,  the EU needs Russian pipelines to get this Central Asian gas to European market, correct?

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Just now, glenn239 said:

But in the meantime, pipe dreams aside and considering routes that actually exist this year,  the EU needs Russian pipelines to get this Central Asian gas to European market, correct?

This year, yes. Still, there are other 'immediate' sources, like LNG from the US, recently their deliveries surpassed Russian ones for the first time. The Kazakhs are just claiming their stake now, they are unlikely to be rebuked. In the long run not the good news for Russia.

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17 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

This year, yes. Still, there are other 'immediate' sources, like LNG from the US, recently their deliveries surpassed Russian ones for the first time. The Kazakhs are just claiming their stake now, they are unlikely to be rebuked. In the long run not the good news for Russia.

Seems like the Central Asian gas card is one that the West should have had in place before adapting a more active policy in Ukraine.

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2 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Seems like the Central Asian gas card is one that the West should have had in place before adapting a more active policy in Ukraine.

Shame that Putin couldn't wait, eh? Still, Central Asian gas route will be much safer IF the Russians get their ass handed to them in Ukraine. It's a lot easier to support Ukraine against a 'special operation', which is what could happen to Kazakhstan too if they got too bold too early. And what the Kazakhs say now may very well be the effect of said 'special operation', they see that the Russians could do the same to them and are looking for allies in the West - much easier, since we have a real hardon for Russia at the moment.

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38 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

...like LNG from the US...

Unfortunately price of that one is such that none can afford to run industry on it. It is OKish for heating (through expect gas bills to skyrocket even more...), but it is utterly non-option for industrial uses, especially those industries with very low profit margins, you know, stupid things that no one really needs like fertilizer manufacture. :)

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Just now, bojan said:

Unfortunately price of that one is such that none can afford to run industry on it. It is OKish for heating (through expect gas bills to skyrocket even more, so some people will be freezing...), but it is utterly non-option for industrial uses, especially those industries with very low profit margins, you know, stupid things that no one really needs like fertilizer manufacture. :)

Our industries ran on Russian gas AND remained both competetive and profitable while we were paying twice as much as the Germans. Chinese industry runs almost exclusively on LNG delivered to their ports, or at least that was the case a few years ago.

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You compensate it with lower worker's pay. Only reason Chinese can afford to work with shipped LNG is because they cut cost at H&S and workers pay. Do you the same working environment that Chinese have for Polish workers?

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9 minutes ago, bojan said:

Unfortunately price of that one is such that none can afford to run industry on it. It is OKish for heating (through expect gas bills to skyrocket even more...), but it is utterly non-option for industrial uses, especially those industries with very low profit margins, you know, stupid things that no one really needs like fertilizer manufacture. :)

The outcome will probably be more of increased fertilizer and thus food prices and inflation, than industries simply shutting down. 

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1 minute ago, bojan said:

You compensate it with lower worker's pay. Only reason Chinese can afford to work with shipped LNG is because they cut cost at H&S and workers pay. Do you the same working environment that Chinese have for Polish workers?

No, we don't have the same working environment as the Chinese and the pay is incomparably higher than in China, even if it's lower than in Germany. And substantial part of our gas supply comes to our facility in Świnoujście, some from the Gulf, some from the US, smaller amounts from Norway etc.

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4 minutes ago, jmsaari said:

The outcome will probably be more of increased fertilizer and thus food prices and inflation, than industries simply shutting down. 

Well, in Germany at least some industries might be forced to temporarily stop production, cause there won't be enough gas, price be damned. I guess for stuff like fertilizer, importing the whole dang thing for cheap makes more sense than producing it locally from LNG, ditto for some other chemicals. Companies that are export oriented and  that kept competitive due to cheap RU gas are screwed though...

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1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

Shame that Putin couldn't wait, eh? 

The EU couldn't complete a pipeline to Central Asia by 2018 because Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022?  

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Still, Central Asian gas route will be much safer IF the Russians get their ass handed to them in Ukraine. It's a lot easier to support Ukraine against a 'special operation', which is what could happen to Kazakhstan too if they got too bold too early. 

 Russia losing in Ukraine will make Russia allow gas to be exported to the EU?  What are you talking about?  If Russia loses in Ukraine because of EU/NATO activitivies, not only is the EU not going to get any LNG out of Central Asia, they will need to plan for all sorts of unfortunate industrial "setbacks" to their existing plans.  Here, for example,

 Russia is set to switch off the gas for work on a key pipeline — and Germany fears the worst (msn.com)

Russia is poised to temporarily shut down the Nord Stream 1 pipeline — the European Union's biggest piece of gas import infrastructure — for annual maintenance. The works have stoked fears of further disruption to gas supplies that would undermine the bloc's efforts to prepare for winter

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