Jan 6 Committee

[sunday]

To go witch hunting McCarthyism today when a Nobel Prize winner is hounded out of jobs because an off color joke, or a landing on a comet is less important than a Hawaiian shirt...

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

All those sins you proclaim of McCarthy had been going on before McCarthy and continued after he left office

Yes, that was the bloody point I was making, but apparently the use of McCarthy as a mere example triggered you so much that you were completely blindsided to the point that there was never a political committee hearing, US senate or elsewhere, that was neutrally focused on "truth finding". It was always an instrument for political leverage first and foremost, irrespective of what else it may have done good.

[Stuart Galbraith]

2 hours ago, DKTanker said:

The Hollywood blacklist predated McCarthy.  Your party is feeding you a line and you're quite happy to slurp it up.

Sure it did, we know Reagan himself was happy to point out people he suspected of being fellow travellers, even before McCarthy made it a spectator sport. That is by his own admission actually. He also started out as a Democrat as I recall.

 

[rmgill]

I started out a democrat. I opened my eyes. I figured out on my own that what the left pushes HARD towards destroys societies and lives. 
 

[bojan]

"No worse Turk than a convert"

 

[rmgill]

I also get accused of being in an Echo Chamber. ROFL. 

[bojan]

Lighten up Francis, it is a joke.

 

[17thfabn]

5 hours ago, rmgill said:

I started out a democrat. I opened my eyes. I figured out on my own that what the left pushes HARD towards destroys societies and lives. 
 

Today's Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party it was under JFK.

It is  much farther left than the Democratic Party of Clinton.

I have relatives that are Union men. Teamsters, Autoworkers and Coal Miners. They support the Democratic party based on labor issues. They disagree with the party on just about every other issue. 

 

[Ssnake]

I'm confident that, if they just explain the woke agenda better, your relatives will recognize the error of their ways and turn around.

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

Today's Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party it was under JFK.

The more I read about JFK's policies, the more I see him as a Dem equivalent to TR's Bull Moose Party.

Of course, folks who are honest will point out that JFK ran to the right of Nixon in 1960.

[17thfabn]

1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

I'm confident that, if they just explain the woke agenda better, your relatives will recognize the error of their ways and turn around.

My family has our roots as conservative Southern and Midwestern Christians. I'm sure if explained better they would be down with the whole woke agenda. 

The woke just need to communicate better the following:

Why trans male athlete who is 6'1" and built like a man should compete with XX women.

Why allowing people to steal up to $1,000 worth of stuff should not be treated as a crime.

Why arson, assault and looting during a "mostly peaceful protest" is not a riot.

That Caitlyn Jenner is a beautiful "women".

Why saying the next U.S. Supreme Court nominee had to be of a certain race and sex is not discriminatory.

How a person who is nominated to the nations highest court and went to undergraduate and law school at one of the nations most prestigious university can't define what a woman is. 

Why a seemingly open border policy is a good thing.

Why dumping a ton of money into the economy is not inflationary.

Why limiting U.S. energy production is good. And encouraging a evil middle eastern nation, take your pick which one, to produce more oil to replace oil produced by a way, way north evil nation is good.

The woke are masters of communication. I'm sure they can explain it all! 

Edited July 11, 2022 by 17thfabn

[DKTanker]

8 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Yes, that was the bloody point I was making, but apparently the use of McCarthy as a mere example triggered you so much that you were completely blindsided to the point that there was never a political committee hearing, US senate or elsewhere, that was neutrally focused on "truth finding". It was always an instrument for political leverage first and foremost, irrespective of what else it may have done good.

I was triggered?  I merely made a factual statement which, contrary to your kneejerk reaction, was not a defense of Joseph McCarthy, merely an expansion of what was going on during that era.  I think before you again toss around disparaging remarks at other members you first take a hard long look in the mirror.

[MiloMorai]

Do any of you know the origin of the word woke?

[MiloMorai]

Tomorrow should be interesting showing the connection between the white supremist and the White House.

[17thfabn]

1 minute ago, MiloMorai said:

Do any of you know the origin of the word woke?

Canada.

[MiloMorai]

2 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

Canada.

You wish, but no.

[17thfabn]

1 minute ago, MiloMorai said:

Tomorrow should be interesting showing the connection between the white supremist and the White House.

President Biden & the late Senator Robert Byrd?

[MiloMorai]

2 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

President Biden & the late Senator Robert Byrd?

No, your god/king hero.🙂

[Mikel2]

It is very remarkable how the excesses of the red scare eras have been condensed in the figure of McCarthy, despite the fact that during its nearly four decades of operation, the HUAC was always led by democrats. Never a republican.

It is as remarkable as the democrats convincing society that their party was not the one that went to war to protect slavery, created the Klan and ran an apartheid system for nearly a century, carefully engineered to deprive black Americans of their civil rights.  Then claimed the racists switched parties...

[MiloMorai]

54 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

It is very remarkable how the excesses of the red scare eras have been condensed in the figure of McCarthy, despite the fact that during its nearly four decades of operation, the HUAC was always led by democrats. Never a republican.

It is as remarkable as the democrats convincing society that their party was not the one that went to war to protect slavery, created the Klan and ran an apartheid system for nearly a century, carefully engineered to deprive black Americans of their civil rights.  Then claimed the racists switched parties...

The Klan was founded in Pulaski, Tennessee, on December 24, 1865, by six former officers of the Confederate army: Frank McCord, Richard Reed, John Lester, John Kennedy, J. Calvin Jones, and James Crowe. It started as a fraternal social club inspired at least in part by the then largely defunct Sons of Malta. It borrowed parts of the initiation ceremony from that group, with the same purpose: "ludicrous initiations, the baffling of public curiosity, and the amusement for members were the only objects of the Klan", according to Albert Stevens in 1907. The manual of rituals was printed by Laps D. McCord of Pulaski. The Klan also culturally appropriated the Spanish capirote hood.

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

The Klan was founded in Pulaski, Tennessee, on December 24, 1865, by six former officers of the Confederate army: Frank McCord, Richard Reed, John Lester, John Kennedy, J. Calvin Jones, and James Crowe.[snip]

You're telling Americans what/who the KKK was? You know I grew up in Stone Mountain right?

 Have you bothered to note how the Democrats EVEN today are demanding segregation, same as the Democrats of the reconstruction era, and of the time all the way to the 70s? They do so again with the same racial essentialist arguments. Robert Byrd was a Grand Kegal of the KKK.  He never STOPPED being a Democrat. He just changed the objectives a little bit. 

You ought to work for BLM or the White House Press Secretary. You're so good at this. 

Edited July 12, 2022 by rmgill

[Stuart Galbraith]

10 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

Today's Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party it was under JFK.

It is  much farther left than the Democratic Party of Clinton.

I have relatives that are Union men. Teamsters, Autoworkers and Coal Miners. They support the Democratic party based on labor issues. They disagree with the party on just about every other issue. 

 

Which is probably just as well, because that Democratic party believed in segregation (or at the very least, not doing anthing about it) and Presidential candidates were run on rails to the election by Mayor Daley's election machine. That they actually tried to nominate Hubert Humphrey twice shows the depth of their depravity.

 

16 hours ago, rmgill said:

I started out a democrat. I opened my eyes. I figured out on my own that what the left pushes HARD towards destroys societies and lives. 
 

Here is the thing Americans will never understand. People you regard as Commies, to us look like the vague middle ground of European politics. Your politicians insistance that any form of Welfare is pure Stalinism isnt just regarded a historical curiosity in Europe. The rest of the world is looking at America wondering if its something in your Pizza.

Im not judging America for what It does, you will continue to do what pleases you im sure. I just am continually amused at how Americans judge the rest of the world and find them wanting, and fail to recognise they are the odd ones out.

For my part, I dont think its the left, or the right, that is destroying America. I think its the obsession with lobbying. You still share that in common with UK politics.

 

[BansheeOne]

2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Here is the thing Americans will never understand. People you regard as Commies, to us look like the vague middle ground of European politics. 

Well previously the left-wing outlier in established US politics was Bernie Sanders, who is a classic European Social Democrat of the 70s type like Willy Brandt or Olof Palme. With the advent of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Squad, you actually have some equivalents to contemporary firebreathing Young Socialists. Mind, most of those grow up to be conventional Social Democrats or even New Labour-style SDINOs here, too.

OTOH, Hillary Clinton would have been clearly in the conservative spectrum of European politics.

[MiloMorai]

5 hours ago, rmgill said:

You're telling Americans what/who the KKK was? You know I grew up in Stone Mountain right?

Well that certainly explains a lot.

Yup your ignorance is showing.

[jmsaari]

49 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

Well previously the left-wing outlier in established US politics was Bernie Sanders, who is a classic European Social Democrat of the 70s type like Willy Brandt or Olof Palme.

Probably thereabouts with Brandt Palme & co, but by 2016-2020 he'd be on the left edge of most social democratic parties in Europe already...