Jan 6 Committee

[Wobbly Head]

19 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

The trial would be initiated by the DOJ. No one knows what the DOJ has.

The same DOJ that has a history of abusing it's authority to go after enemys of the democratic party and yet they are not going after Trump?

[MiloMorai]

10 minutes ago, Wobbly Head said:

The same DOJ that has a history of abusing it's authority to go after enemys of the democratic party and yet they are not going after Trump?

How do you know the DOJ is not? They will make sure that he can't escape.

Trump is an enemy of the USofA, a clear and present danger be sure.

[17thfabn]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

The trial would be initiated by the DOJ. No one knows what the DOJ has.

I doubt that. Leaking information is one of the most favorite pastimes in DC.

If the DOJ had anything it would be leaking by now and a leading story with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN the NY Times all having stories saying "confidential sources say the DOJ will be seeking an indictment against former President Trump".

[MiloMorai]

You left out FAUX news.

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Could it be they can back up that hearsay.

Why not lead with that? 

[MiloMorai]

Patience Padawan. Wait for the final report.

[rmgill]

It'll be out just in time for the election season I'm sure. 

You know turning this into a political game is not ideal. There will be consequences. 

[17thfabn]

7 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

You left out FAUX news.

Is that a nick name for the Washington Post?

[MiloMorai]

48 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

Is that a nick name for the Washington Post?

It is your favourite right right news source isn't it?

[17thfabn]

I've never heard the Washington Post referred to as being on the right.

[Wobbly Head]

4 hours ago, rmgill said:

It'll be out just in time for the election season I'm sure. 

You know turning this into a political game is not ideal. There will be consequences. 

The biggest sin for a politician is not dishonesty, lying is a requirement for a politician and is expected by the people. The biggest sin is arrogance thinking people are stupid enough to believe what you are peddling and dumb enough to vote for you. The lies have to be at least believable.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Wobbly Head

[seahawk]

The fact the the Biden is president confirms that the people are dumb.

[Ivanhoe]

[MiloMorai]

On 7/2/2022 at 11:09 AM, seahawk said:

The fact the the Biden is president confirms that the people are dumb.

They are smart enough not to vote for Trump.

[nitflegal]

13 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

They are smart enough not to vote for Trump.

That's working out really well for them so far. . . 

[DKTanker]

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/07/10/lofgren-cipollone-was-not-asked-about-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/

But of course.  Why would any rational person put in potential jeopardy the very narrative they've worked so hard to create?

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Representative Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the House Committee investigating the January 6, 2021 riot at the Capitol did not ask former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone about the testimony from Mark Meadows’ former aide Cassidy Hutchinson....

Tapper asked, “Former Mark Meadows’ aide Cassidy Hutchinson said Cipollone said something along the lines, they would be charged with every crime imaginable if Trump went up to the Capitol. Two sources told CNN that the committee did not ask Pat Cipollone whether he said that. Is that true? If so, why wouldn’t you ask him that?”

Lofgren said, “We never call in witnesses to corroborate other witnesses or to give their reaction to other witnesses.

 

[17thfabn]

4 hours ago, DKTanker said:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/07/10/lofgren-cipollone-was-not-asked-about-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/

But of course.  Why would any rational person put in potential jeopardy the very narrative they've worked so hard to create?

Lofgren said, “We never call in witnesses to corroborate other witnesses or to give their reaction to other witnesses.

These hearings are obviously very one sided. 

If the goal was to get to the facts both political parties would be represented. Hand picked members by Speaker Pelosi don't count.

 

[Ssnake]

Political showboating not intended to investigate unbiased, historical truth

Audience members shocked to realize

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[Ivanhoe]

Amusingly, the Dems cooked up a Russian stooge" narrative complete with fictional documents to stop Trump, yet they are now using a Politburo trial technique.

It's as if everyone left of center feels that the wrong side won the Cold War.

 

[Ssnake]

7 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Amusingly, the Dems cooked up a Russian stooge" narrative complete with fictional documents to stop Trump, yet they are now using a Politburo trial technique.

So did ole Joe McCarthy; and while he was the most prominent guy who in the past used politicized Senate hearings he certainly didn't invent it. Any investigation performed by politicians on other politicians and their supporters will deliver useful results only as a byproduct in the best of cases (e.g. Truman's hearings on US lack of war preparedness come to mind).

[DKTanker]

1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

So did ole Joe McCarthy; and while he was the most prominent guy who in the past used politicized Senate hearings he certainly didn't invent it. Any investigation performed by politicians on other politicians and their supporters will deliver useful results only as a byproduct in the best of cases (e.g. Truman's hearings on US lack of war preparedness come to mind).

Ole Joe McCarthy gets a lot of credit and bad press for hearings and investigations perpetrated by the "House Committee on Un-American Activities" created by the Democratic Party majority in 1938, it became a permanent committee in 1945 and continued in its own right until 1975 when it was rolled into the judiciary committee.  Its mission as outlined in 1938 was to root out fascist and communist sympathizers of private citizens, public employes, and organizations with such ties.  McCarthy gets all the blame and credit for what proceeded him and succeeded him because A.) Loud mouth and more importantly B.) Republican.

[Ssnake]

I knew that someone would immediately ride to rescue the bastard. I'm not saying that everything in the committee was baseless, but the methods were as much "politbureau" as communist mock trials (never conducted by the politbureau, ironically). The committee's main purpose ostensibly was to unveil how much of the American society was subverted by people following totalitarian ideologies. In practice, it was McCarthy's instrument to intimidate his many political enemies, including at least half the senate, and therefore to give him leverage and influence that he couldn't have won by persuasion. Therefore, it was another example of showboating that might occasionally also uncover something, but as a side effect to the main purpose, winning political power for the committee chairman.

What brought down McCarthy?

When he started to attack the US Army and its Generals as communists. That broke the spell under which he had had the American public, and as soon as he broke his power lever, he was gone in less than a year.

[Stuart Galbraith]

It didnt help any that he decided to have a go at the media as being 'Communist', not least, Edward R Murrow. Its a very, very old idea it seems, and judging by how obsessed CBS was then  with corporate sponsorship, seems to have very little validity.

[DKTanker]

5 hours ago, Ssnake said:

I knew that someone would immediately ride to rescue the bastard.

I knew there would be someone who would immediately ride to the rescue of what Harry Truman would say, "HUAC is The most Un-American of committees."  All those sins you proclaim of McCarthy had been going on before McCarthy and continued after he left office, you're getting the Red Book version.  Not that you're alone in that matter, most Americans have been force fed that version since the day McCarthy gave his February 1950 speech.

McCarthy was no saint and I never suggested otherwise but his campaign of less than four years pales in comparison to the Democratic Party's campaign...which continues to this day.

For your reading pleasure.  Notice the Truman Library also titles it McCarthyism while providing mostly evidence of Democratic Partyism.
https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/public/HUAC_Handouts.pdf

[DKTanker]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It didnt help any that he decided to have a go at the media as being 'Communist', not least, Edward R Murrow. Its a very, very old idea it seems, and judging by how obsessed CBS was then  with corporate sponsorship, seems to have very little validity.

The Hollywood blacklist predated McCarthy.  Your party is feeding you a line and you're quite happy to slurp it up.