Jan 6 Committee

[R011]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Maybe you forgot what happened just before the 2016 and 2020 elections.

The definition of stacked has changed.

Really?  Since when and by whom?

[MiloMorai]

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

Ok Humpty Dumpty.

What Is Court Packing? | Rutgers University

[rmgill]

Humpty Dumpty sophistry.
 

Was it court packing that arrived at the original roe decision that was based on made up law predicated upon a case that was a fabrication? 

 

Is it only court packing when democrats swing the balance their way and get the results they want regardless of the legal concepts involved? See also Wickard v Filburn. 

[MiloMorai]

Well that was a blockbuster revaluation by Cassidy Hutchinson today.

Cassidy Hutchinson, Trump White House aide, now in spotlight (msn.com)

 Hopefully those who haven't come forward will finally .show they have some gonads like Cassidy. Her testimony shows Trump was mentally unstable. 

 

[rmgill]

Seems to be a bit short of the mark where Trump KNEW that the insurrectionists would be armed and committed a crime ya know. 

She also testified that President Trump lunged for the steering wheel in the presidential limo. 

Kinda hard given how the Beast is setup....

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1541852843518345216/photo/1

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by rmgill

[MiloMorai]

6 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Kinda hard given how the Beast is setup....

Not if it was the suburban.

You think the 1-6 doesn't have evidence from the agent involved, who had been interviewed.

8 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Seems to be a bit short of the mark where Trump KNEW that the insurrectionists would be armed and committed a crime ya know.

He was told the crowd was not as big because there was those who didn't want to go thru the 'mag' as they were armed. He replied let them thru.

[rmgill]

11 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

Not if it was the suburban.

You think the 1-6 doesn't have evidence from the agent involved, who had been interviewed.

So where's his testimony? 

11 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

He was told the crowd was not as big because there was those who didn't want to go thru the 'mag' as they were armed. He replied let them thru.

By whom? 

I'm still trying to figure out where this direct knowledge and control of the insurrection lies. 

in other words...
 

 

[MiloMorai]

Patience  Padawan.

One can judge the  truth being told by the degree of rage by Trump.

Edited June 28, 2022 by MiloMorai

[rmgill]

Like with how angry all the democrats are about their norms? 

 

[MiloMorai]

The Dems should be upset considering Trump tried and came very close to a successful coup.

[DKTanker]

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah, but its funny that they never denied it when they were directly asked about it at the time. You would have thought they would, since it wasnt true. Its almost as if they were lying to keep their job, particularly as, being part of the protection detail, they shouldnt have spoken about it in the first place.

Has anyone poked holes in the claim of him smearing his dinner down the dining room wall? About knowing that the crowd were armed? About not caring the crowd were armed? That he didnt want to issue a statement calling them off knowing they were armed, storming the senate and chanting 'Hang Mike Pence' to which he responded favourably, and a later desire not to issue a further statement condeming the assault on the senate, and in fact openly desiring giving them a pardon? Has anyone, other than Trump, completely refuted any of those?

The funny thing is, the claim about trying to grab the steering wheel wasnt even the most shocking among the claims. It might be the most sensational, but its not like anyone was trying to charge him with vehicular manslaughter. its not like he was Teddy Kennedy you know?

Edited June 29, 2022 by Stuart Galbraith

[rmgill]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Has anyone poked holes in the claim of him smearing his dinner down the dining room wall? About knowing that the crowd were armed? About not caring the crowd were armed? That he didnt want to issue a statement calling them off knowing they were armed, storming the senate and chanting 'Hang Mike Pence' to which he responded favourably, and a later desire not to issue a further statement condeming the assault on the senate, and in fact openly desiring giving them a pardon? Has anyone, other than Trump, completely refuted any of those?

Have you stopped beating your cat Stuart? Can you provide witnesses that can demonstrate that you don't beat your cat? Or that you say mean things to your cat? OR that you don't care if your cat shreds the pages of Olsen's Standard Book of British Birds. We have a witness who says that she heard that someone else saw you letting your cat shred the pages about the gannet because you don't like the gannet, 'they wet their nests!'. 

See the problem? 

Edited June 29, 2022 by rmgill

[MiloMorai]

You don't think the 1-6 has witnesses to back up what Cassidy said?

[Stuart Galbraith]

27 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Have you stopped beating your cat Stuart? Can you provide witnesses that can demonstrate that you don't beat your cat? Or that you say mean things to your cat? OR that you don't care if your cat shreds the pages of Olsen's Standard Book of British Birds. We have a witness who says that she heard that someone else saw you letting your cat shred the pages about the gannet because you don't like the gannet, 'they wet their nests!'. 

See the problem? 

I can provide masses of evidence I don't beat my cat. I don't have one.

Here is the problem, Hutchinson was a believer, just like one of you. So as far as believability, it's right up there. She has zero reason to lie about any of it. And whilst accepting the office grapevine often distorts facts in transmission, she  directly confirmed that Trump knew that the protesters were armed, before winding them up and sending them to the capitol. She was there, first person testimony.

if that is the only true thing she said that was true (and the rest of the White house can testify to refute all of it) then Trump will quite possibly be charged with a crime. Then it will be up to a jury, not what we think.

As for the Ketchup, I believe it. And that in itself demonstrates the mentality of a man unfit for office. But of course opinions vary.    

 

 

 

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Joy, pure joy.

 

 

[DKTanker]

Stuart, didn't you learn your lesson about trusting uncorroborated and unchallenged sources when you were embracing the Trump colluded with Russia hoax?

 

[sunday]

That is a good one!

[MiloMorai]

11 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Stuart, didn't you learn your lesson about trusting uncorroborated and unchallenged sources when you were embracing the Trump colluded with Russia hoax?

 

I. Summary of Major Findings

Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion” (justsecurity.org)

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.

[Stuart Galbraith]

6 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Stuart, didn't you learn your lesson about trusting uncorroborated and unchallenged sources when you were embracing the Trump colluded with Russia hoax?

 

Oh, you mean the several times proven loose contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign, for which General Flynn was subsequently jailed for lying about it to the FBI? 

Ultimately it depends whether you prefer to trust a sleazy NY real estate developer with a history of lying as long as his arm, or a trusted staffer whom everyone seemed to like who has zero reason to lie, and every reason under the sun to stfu because her life was threatened. Hmm, tough one that.

I truly mean no disrespect, but if you can't tell the difference between an untrustworthy deadbeat and someone of integrity, please live stream the next bridge in London you purchase.

 

 

 

 

[MiloMorai]

27 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Stuart, didn't you learn your lesson about trusting uncorroborated and unchallenged sources when you were embracing the Trump colluded with Russia hoax?

 

Mueller report: what you actually need to know, explained - Vox

[rmgill]

29 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Oh, you mean the several times proven loose contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign, for which General Flynn was subsequently jailed for lying about it to the FBI? 

Incoming administrations talk with other nations. That is a fact. When is Biden being jailed for his son's contact and taking money from China? Oh....right...he's not because that's allowed. 

29 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Ultimately it depends whether you prefer to trust a sleazy NY real estate developer with a history of lying as long as his arm, or a trusted staffer whom everyone seemed to like who has zero reason to lie, and every reason under the sun to stfu because her life was threatened. Hmm, tough one that.

Yes. The Ketchup on the wall, a serious crime. He should be executed for that crime. 

 

29 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I truly mean no disrespect, but if you can't tell the difference between an untrustworthy deadbeat and someone of integrity, please live stream the next bridge in London you purchase.

Which member of the Jan-6 committee do you think isn't an untrustworthy deadbeat? 

[rmgill]

39 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

 

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.

I am really curious who you think is supposed to be conducting foreign diplomacy here Milo. Who has the legal power to conduct this? 

From Wikipedia:

Under the Constitution, the president is the federal official that is primarily responsible for the relations of the United States with foreign nations. The president appoints ambassadors, ministers, and consuls (subject to confirmation by the Senate) and receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials.^[47] With the secretary of state, the president manages all official contacts with foreign governments.

On occasion, the president may personally participate in summit conferences where heads of state meet for direct consultation.^[48] For example, President Wilson led the American delegation to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 after World War I; President Franklin D. Roosevelt met with Allied leaders during World War II; and every president sits down with world leaders to discuss economic and political issues and to reach agreements.

Through the Department of State and the Department of Defense, the president is responsible for the protection of Americans abroad and of foreign nationals in the United States. The president decides whether to recognize new nations and new governments,^[49] and negotiate treaties with other nations, which become binding on the United States when approved by two-thirds of the Senate. The president may also negotiate executive agreements with foreign powers that are not subject to Senate confirmation.^[50]

 

[rmgill]

Considering we see Democrats in congress conducting foreign affairs visits all the time AND we've seen democrats who were running doing, so, I'm still wondering why this particular set of actions by Trump is a really big deal considering the repeated actions of democrats and other republicans in this field prior to attaining the White House officially. We had Kennedy as a senator doing this precise thing during the cold war and he suffered not a whiff for it. 

If it's illegal then fine, it's illegal. But then I want to see Biden held to the same rule without any consideration because he was senator or former VP. I want to see Pelosi held accountable because she was PAYING Chinese spy. I want to se the DNC congressman who was sleeping with the Chinese spy held accountable. 

Edited June 29, 2022 by rmgill

[sunday]

Just a reminder

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Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

 

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

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The trial of former Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann crossed a critical threshold Friday when a key witness uttered the name “Hillary Clinton” in conjunction with a plan to spread the false Alfa Bank Russian collusion claim before the 2016 presidential election.

For Democrats and many in the media, Hillary Clinton has long held a Voldemort-like status  as “She who must not be named” in scandals. Yet, there was her former campaign manager, Robby Mook, telling a jury that Clinton personally approved a plan to spread the claim of covert communications between the Trump organization and the Russian bank. It was one of the most successful disinformation campaigns in American politics, and Mook implicated Clinton as green-lighting the gas-lighting of the electorate.

https://www.johnlocke.org/hillarys-role-in-russian-collusion-hoax-gets-clearer/

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WASHINGTON — FBI agents probing since-debunked claims of a secret back channel between Donald Trump and a Russian bank believed that the allegations had originated with the Department of Justice — when in fact they came from Hillary Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann, who had shopped them to the bureau’s then-general counsel days earlier.

In the latest revelation to emerge from Sussmann’s trial in DC federal court on a count of lying to the FBI, special counsel John Durham’s prosecutors revealed that investigators had received an electronic communication citing a referral from the DOJ “on or about” Sept. 19, 2016, the same day Sussmann met with James Baker, then the FBI’s top lawyer

https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/fbi-told-agents-trump-russia-data-source-was-from-doj-not-clinton-tied-lawyer/