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11 hours ago, Laser Shark said:

It will be interesting to see what happens here, but I don't think Norway and Iceland will be particularly keen about leaving the HQ at Norfolk for one that is likely going to be more oriented towards the Baltics.

Yea, that's why it's going to be a new HQ. Who will be under it, remains to be seen. 

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34 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

Yea, that's why it's going to be a new HQ. Who will be under it, remains to be seen. 

Norwegian media writes that it’s just going to be a forward HQ, and that Finland and Sweden will eventually be put under JFC Norfolk as well (it doesn’t have the capacity for it at the moment, so you will stay under JFC Brunssum in the meanwhile). Norway has also proposed Bodø for its location, probably adjacent to the Norwegian Joint Headquarters (FOH) at Reitan.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/O81L9q/forsvarssjefen-vil-ha-bodoe-som-nytt-nato-hovedkvarter?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=hovedlopet_row12_pos1&utm_medium=dre-64af653c51a71a8fb14e66e2

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I suspect this would be the equivalent to Multinational Corps Northeast HQ in Szczecin, which in 2017 was certified as NATO's HQ for regional defense of Poland and the Baltics. There are eight other Rapid Deployable Corps HQs throughout NATO in the UK, Germany (jointly with the Netherlands), France, Spain, Italy, Greece and Turkey plus the five-national Eurocorps, though they don't have the same regional responsibility. In either case, with the accession of Finland and Sweden the Nordic area is lacking an equivalent corps-level command so far.

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On 7/12/2023 at 1:00 AM, Sardaukar said:

Not according to e.g. this: https://yle.fi/a/3-5321425

 

But according to this:

https://yle.fi/a/3-5308014

And this:

https://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/a/2010120212799603

Almost complete lack of interest in attracting Finland to NATO is demonstrated by US political leadership almost never paying any attention to Finland - before current visit, only US president to visit Finland in last 25 years was Trump, and that was only to meet Putin.

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https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/forsvaret-koper-sablar-for-uppat-50-miljoner

Sweden is buying sabers (yes, you did read right, sabers), 1300 for 50 mil kronor (4 mil €).

I am glad that Swedish military is finally modernizing their equipment... 😆🤣

 

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29 minutes ago, Yama said:

They should buy katanas. Have every Royal Guard wear Daisho, adds lot more street cred. Also superior cutting ability and better penetration...

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As old HEMA practioner, not really. Longsword is better almost every way, except maybe cutting (and type XV blade is verry, very close to it in cutting aswell) 😉

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I am delighted that Swedish Armed Forces have their priorities right....

After all, all neighbouring countries have had a view that they are mostly ceremonial :D😜

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10 hours ago, Laser Shark said:

You'd rather want a longsword if you were up against armoured opponents.

 

.... but I like this sword:

 

Kriegsmesser (btw I have practised fighting with lange messer) was mostly primary weapon (at least longer ones). Katana/Longsword were just "side arms" and thus little different category. If we choose from medieval primary weapons, then poleaxes are hard to beat (Hit from it is very dangerous even to full plated knight). Or in warfare formations of pike/Halberds and muskets

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44 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

I am delighted that Swedish Armed Forces have their priorities right....

After all, all neighbouring countries have had a view that they are mostly ceremonial :D😜

Some not all. After all, they still dont like it up them...

 

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39 minutes ago, MiGG0 said:

Kriegsmesser (btw I have practised fighting with lange messer) was mostly primary weapon (at least longer ones). Katana/Longsword were just "side arms" and thus little different category.

Exactly. While you and Yama are arguing over toothpicks, I’m showing up in here like effing Crocodile Dundee. B)

 

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On 7/10/2023 at 11:39 PM, Roman Alymov said:

You live too far away from Turkey, guys - while we got experience of numerous wars (and peace deals) with Ottomans, and Bysantine before them. He have agreed to pass request to Parliament and "work with it" - meaning he already got something in exchange for that. Now it will be debated in Parliament, somebody will conveniently burn Quran again, so Parliament will demonstrate anger, and Erdogan will communicate "You see, i am doing my best, but it is not so simple and you yourself is making it more complex, so i need additional ...... and .....  to push it through" and so on. At the same time he will be trying to get something from Russia and all others. May be it is good for Turkey, after all. Currently he is trying to "sell" to Putin his visit to Turkey, for example  (no idea in what way it is useful, bit our pro-Western party may want it as "first step to normalization of relations with West" etc).

    Sooner or later Sweden will join, but not before Turks got maximum possible profit out of it.

Well, as expected.....

 

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