Who Are the Fascists--The Ukes Or the Rus?

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 minute ago, bojan said:

Your brave defenders of Ukraine, celebrating Ratko Mladic:

Brave? Yes, somehow. They serve their fatherland extremely faithfully. But I also don't forget that these are very extreme people. But like the Chetniks, it's a very difficult thing to call them Nazis. However, it is a great mistake to think that the German Nazis invented ultra-nationalism and anti-Semitism and the use of force.

It gets interesting when you look at the characteristic of the Führer cult. When the people follow their Führer (leader or лидер) unconditionally in everything and no longer question even the most absurd things.   And if you make the survival of the entire state and society dependent on the leader being given virtually unlimited and eternal power.

[sunday]

Laws of warfare were written, and approved for a reason.

One could be very brave and commit war crimes. Then he is not a hero but a war criminal.

Even someone as deeply flawed as Oskar Dirlewanger showed personal bravery, but he is not remembered for that.

[Stefan Kotsch]

When you can't think of anything else to say about Dirlewanger. I have something.

"In Warsaw, Dirlewanger participated in the Wola massacre, together with police units rounding up and shooting some 40,000 civilians, most of them in just two days.^[1] In the same Wola district, Dirlewanger burned three hospitals with patients inside, while the nurses were "whipped, gang-raped and finally hanged naked, together with the doctors" to the accompaniment of the popular song "In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger

Can the same be said of the Asov troops?

[sunday]

43 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

When you can't think of anything else to say about Dirlewanger. I have something.

"In Warsaw, Dirlewanger participated in the Wola massacre, together with police units rounding up and shooting some 40,000 civilians, most of them in just two days.^[1] In the same Wola district, Dirlewanger burned three hospitals with patients inside, while the nurses were "whipped, gang-raped and finally hanged naked, together with the doctors" to the accompaniment of the popular song "In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger

Can the same be said of the Asov troops?

War criminal is enough.

Yes, the same can be said, and must be said of the Azov troops.

[Poopstain]

More Rus atrocities?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702271/Bodies-132-civilians-bullet-wounds-new-war-crime-site-Ukraine.html

[sunday]

4 minutes ago, Poopstain said:

More Rus atrocities?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702271/Bodies-132-civilians-bullet-wounds-new-war-crime-site-Ukraine.html

Considering the truthfulness of the previous reports of Russian atrocities, we better wait for independent confirmation.

[Poopstain]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Considering the truthfulness of the previous reports of Russian atrocities, we better wait for independent confirmation.

Yeah as I have said before--everything should be assumed a lie until proven true.    Again, not that atrocities aren't actually happening, just that skepticism should be the first rule in war.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

16 hours ago, sunday said:

Considering the truthfulness of the previous reports of Russian atrocities, we better wait for independent confirmation.

You mean where the Ukrainians said that people were being tortured, raped and murdered in Bucha, and it turned out they actually were?

 

[Sardaukar]

I am away few hours and we have gotten from fascists to Führer and Dirlewanger...

Edited April 10, 2022 by Sardaukar

[RETAC21]

18 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

I an away few hours and we have gotten from fascists to Führer and Dirlewanger...

Only quality content in this here grate sight. You think the average Joe knows about Kaminsky and Dirlewanger?

[Sardaukar]

6 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

Only quality content in this here grate sight. You think the average Joe knows about Kaminsky and Dirlewanger?

Grate Site™ never stops giving

To add, mention of Bronislav Kaminski is a bonus in this context....

Edited April 10, 2022 by Sardaukar

[Stefan Kotsch]

16 hours ago, Poopstain said:

Yeah as I have said before--everything should be assumed a lie until proven true.

One thing is absolutely true. Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor. And we know that the Russians have been proven to have lied on numerous occasions. The Russians cannot even truthfully call their own war a war.

 

 

[Sardaukar]

4 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

One thing is absolutely true. Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor. And we know that the Russians have been proven to have lied on numerous occasions. The Russians cannot even truthfully call their own war a war.

 

 

"Tactical truth", mister.

[Sardaukar]

Now that we are in topic...

[sunday]

4 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

I am away few hours and we have gotten from fascists to Führer and Dirlewanger...

Tell that to the proponent of the Nazi Anti Defamation League.

[rmgill]

I think you've gotten ahead of yourselves here chaps.

What define what fascism is first. 

Just because someone puts a Pirate tattoo on their chest doesn't make them a pirate. 

[sunday]

Ehrenburg has been mentioned

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/103/869/764/original/363670e820fe6faf.mp4

[Ivanhoe]

10 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

I am away few hours and we have gotten from fascists to Führer and Dirlewanger...

Be patient, we will get to the Romans and Mongols pretty soon.

 

[Ivanhoe]

I found it amusing that Trump's phone call to Zelensky was grounds for impeachment. Now Zelensky is a bonafide Freedom Fighter beloved by American Dems and liberals of every stripe.

The following news article is interesting, in retrospect;

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/01/ukraines-president-zelensky-damaged-relationships-during-trump-call.html

It would be amusing to listen to intercepted voice traffic between various leaders and Obama. I suspect one might hear similar "fawning tones".

[Mikel2]

17 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

I found it amusing that Trump's phone call to Zelensky was grounds for impeachment. Now Zelensky is a bonafide Freedom Fighter beloved by American Dems and liberals of every stripe.

The following news article is interesting, in retrospect;

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/01/ukraines-president-zelensky-damaged-relationships-during-trump-call.html

It would be amusing to listen to intercepted voice traffic between various leaders and Obama. I suspect one might hear similar "fawning tones".

 

Somehow, this is NOT a problem.

 

[Poopstain]

1 hour ago, Mikel2 said:

 

Somehow, this is NOT a problem.

 

Well he's a democrat.

Laws, rules, standards, morality--well they just don't apply to democrats.   

[MiloMorai]

On 4/8/2022 at 2:17 PM, Stefan Kotsch said:

Brave? Yes, somehow. They serve their fatherland extremely faithfully. But I also don't forget that these are very extreme people. But like the Chetniks, it's a very difficult thing to call them Nazis. However, it is a great mistake to think that the German Nazis invented ultra-nationalism and anti-Semitism and the use of force.

It gets interesting when you look at the characteristic of the Führer cult. When the people follow their Führer (leader or лидер) unconditionally in everything and no longer question even the most absurd things.   And if you make the survival of the entire state and society dependent on the leader being given virtually unlimited and eternal power.

Sounds like you are describing a certain American.

[Angrybk]

Nazi/Fascist/Commie/even Socialist have basically lost all meaning, they just basically mean "people I think are very bad." Db summed it up best when he said that basically it's like the Young Ones.

 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Angrybk

[sunday]

Worse than Fascist/Nazi

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Let's put emotions aside and analyze the sensational Ukrainian video with a girl with a sickle from an anthropological point of view.

The territories that began to be called Ukraine during the Soviet period are the most matriarchal in the entire Russian space. At the center of local folklore is always a woman. Gogol's Solokha and Panochka did not appear by chance. They reproduce a very ancient archetype of the Great Mother, referring to the Paleo-European pagan culture, which was basically female-centric.

By the way, very often matriarchal cultures implied extremely cruel human sacrifices.

Women in Paleo-European society played the main role, owned property, were often polygamous, men were always on the sidelines, often in the position of a semi-slave. Actually, the ancestors of the Slavs and Germans, all these Paleo-European cultures at one time captured and established on their lands a patriarchal way of life, in which the leading roles were played by a man - a father, a warrior, a king. Later, Orthodoxy came to this soil.

In general, this video is a challenge to the very patriarchal Indo-European society, which, due to its militancy and organization, crushed weaker matriarchal cultures.

The sickle is a female tool, a symbol of harvest, death, associated with the moon, which has always denoted the feminine. The reference to the "ancient Ukrainian gods" who were "awakened" is a direct link with that very ancient matriarchal culture, apparently very bloody. They tried to wake up the "Old Gods" in the Third Reich - we are well aware that these are executive demonic forces.

Obviously, there is nothing Christian and nothing Indo-European in this video. There is a transmission of meanings that are alien to the Japhetite tradition. Here it is just right to look for traces of the Simo-Hamitic Canaan - a sacrifice to a female deity, blood, hysteria, "welcome to hell."

So this side of Ukrainian culture and aesthetics translates, frankly, neither Slavic nor Christian meanings. In a sense, one can even admit that at this, the most subtle level of struggle, we are dealing with something ancient.

Only now this ancient has nothing to do with either the Russian princes Rurikovich, or the civilization that they built.

But all sorts of dark pagan cults are creeping out from under this vyshyvanka.

Video: https://odysee.com/@Velyaminov:a/ukrainian_hate_propaganda:d?r=HdXXqA6C9tsPdDRGDaKdBTU95ffwfGL7

[Huba]

Twitter thread aggregating various Nazis surrounding Russia: