bojan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) C-295 transports. Again, you are among the first to hear it. Edited April 9, 2022 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Thanks Bojan, last I read was that LOI was signed in November 21: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/serbia-signs-loi-with-spain-on-c295-transport-aircraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Apparently full deal is signed today. Still no details how many and when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Sounds like a good thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 Well, there is a single An-26 left operational and it's resources will run out in about 2024, so it was a last moment thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Contract officially signed: total value is 81 million euros, the aircraft cost 66 million euros, and 15 million euros for equipment and retraining https://tangosix.rs/2022/23/02/poslednja-vest-srbija-potpisala-ugovor-za-nabavku-dva-transportna-aviona-c295-saopstena-cena-ugovora-datum-isporuke-i-izbor-avionike/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 We bought these as SAR aircraft, don't expect much headroom in them, pretty small inside. I prefer the C-127J that was in the running, however support from Airbus was likley a deciding factor, as the C-127J is a good design with a crappy company supporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 At least the old Construcciones Aeronáuticas, S. A. (CASA) was good at military transport aircraft. The A330MRTT conversion is another example. I am not sure we got our due when Spain sold the corporation to Airbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, sunday said: At least the old Construcciones Aeronáuticas, S. A. (CASA) was good at military transport aircraft. The A330MRTT conversion is another example. I am not sure we got our due when Spain sold the corporation to Airbus. There were numerous duds before they hit on the C-47 replacement (C-212) and went from there, but CASA wasn't financially viable and Airbus brought better marketing and French connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Only 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, sunday said: At least the old Construcciones Aeronáuticas, S. A. (CASA) was good at military transport aircraft. The A330MRTT conversion is another example. I am not sure we got our due when Spain sold the corporation to Airbus. I think that everyone fell in love with 295 during Batajnica 2009. air show, Spanish pilot (IIRC female) put all fighter aircrafts to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, shep854 said: Only 2? Possibly 2 more after two years + one larger plane + something to replace An-2s for paratrooper training. Local military transport capacity requirements are not that large. Edited March 1, 2022 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, bojan said: I think that everyone fell in love with 295 during Batajnica 2009. air show, Spanish pilot (IIRC female) put all fighter aircrafts to shame. This show? Quite impressive, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Yep, that one, through too close zoom on plane on that video fails to convey real extent of maneuvers they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Colin said: We bought these as SAR aircraft, don't expect much headroom in them, pretty small inside. I prefer the C-127J that was in the running, however support from Airbus was likley a deciding factor, as the C-127J is a good design with a crappy company supporting it. Trivia: C-27J Spartan was designed by Giuseppe Gabrielli, same guy who designed Fiat G.51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, Yama said: Trivia: C-27J Spartan was designed by Giuseppe Gabrielli, same guy who designed Fiat G.51 LOL, just goes to show you how "Young' aviation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Too lazy to open new topic, so renamed this one. Negotiations underway for 12 x Rafale and 12 x trainer/ground attacker. Also potentially 6 x TB-2, which is weird since 6 Chinese CH-95s were already ordered... Edited April 9, 2022 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandro_ Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Quote Negotiations underway for 12 x Rafale and 12 x trainer/ground attacker. Also potentially 6 x TB-2, which is weird since 6 Chinese CH-95s were already ordered... Latest is that Aleksandar Vučić has stated that he would like another 12 Rafale second hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 Don't take what he says too serious, he often misreads whatever text he is given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, bojan said: Too lazy to open new topic, so renamed this one. Negotiations underway for 12 x Rafale and 12 x trainer/ground attacker. Really? Huh, would have thought Serbia would choose something more budget-friendly. No offense! edit. So these are the new Chinese SAMS? Edited April 10, 2022 by Yama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 Problem is that now that Russians are out of competition there is nothing much cheaper. Grippen formally is, but Swedes have incredibly stupid training regime for those, unlike every other competitor (which is probably why Grippen failed most of the competitions...) and because of that Grippen was rejected already in 2008. evaluation of the potential future aircraft. Ironically, Rafale's smaller cousin was supposed to be Yugoslavia's "airplane for a 21st century": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Avion Re: SAM - Yes, FK-3 that were ordered some time ago. Pretty sad story, originally wanted Buk М3 - US threatened sanctions, wanted something Israeli - US said no, we will not allow the sale, anything European was way, way too expensive, in the end bought Chinese... At least we will know what people with experience will say about qualities of those... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendist Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Bojan could you elaborate a bit on the Swedish training regime? It would be interesting to hear more about it since Swedish media AFAIK never mention it as a drawback, rather the opposite. Just like everywhere else media here gives you what they think you want to hear not necessarily what you need to hear. In this case Sweden stronk1111 kind of stuff.🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) Short version - Sweden basically required pilots to already have 120h for 3 last years, while everyone (in 2008., Russia, Germany and US) offered to throw in additional training for those that don't fulfill requirements. There were also some language requrements that Sweden insisted on, while other again offered additional training. Since at that moment Serbian AF had 4 operational MiG-29s, there was no way for pilots to have 120hours for 3 last years... Edited April 10, 2022 by bojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohala Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 120 hours in 3 years sounds very modest. I have been either lied to or most airforces should easily surpass this number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 120h each year. Total 360+h, with no year with less than 120h, which was impossible to do at that moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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