Damian Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 https://www.battleorder.org//post/waypoint-divisions?fbclid=IwAR2b2Axi7R2KU7BWU0Yi8he9KCv5cbQriIFfcaZZmVaJpmN2hQY846QcnNE So the US Army will undergo a structures modernization. New structures will emphasize that new primary unit of action will be division and not a brigade. 3 types of brigades will be kept, it will be armored brigade, stryker brigade and infantry brigade, and they will create a base for entire division structure. In summer 2023 1st Cavalry Division will be reformed in to a Penetration Division, next to follow will be 1st Armored Division so 2x Penetration Divisions at least. As I checked current structures, we can expect that US Army with ARNG will be capable to have also around 11x Standard Heavy Divisions, 4x Standard Light Divisions and at least 2x Joint Forcible Entry Divisions - Air Assault/Airborne. As we can see US Army will become much more heavy force. Number of MBT's, IFV's and tracked SPH's will increase, as well as other tracked vehicles. Even light divisions will receive a tank battalion using MPF light tanks. Infantry brigades also will become motorized. Divisions will also be able to receive support units from Corps level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olof Larsson Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I guess that means that US Army will have a lot of heavy brigades, even more light brigades and a very limited number of "medium" (Stryker) brigades, making most Strykers surplus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Olof Larsson said: I guess that means that US Army will have a lot of heavy brigades, even more light brigades and a very limited number of "medium" (Stryker) brigades, making most Strykers surplus. They would be used for the Joint Friendly Entrance Mobile Divisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 What it really means is that there will have to be a shitload of new engineer battalions raised. I count seven battalions of engineers assigned to a penetration Division. That's more engineering assets than 7th Army had during the CW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I guess the surplus U.S.M.C. tankers and tanks will find a home after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Nice to see they have structures tailored for the 82nd and the 101st Divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 13 hours ago, DKTanker said: What it really means is that there will have to be a shitload of new engineer battalions raised. I count seven battalions of engineers assigned to a penetration Division. That's more engineering assets than 7th Army had during the CW. And 7 cavalry troops. I guess the Army is getting ready to break the Stalin Putin line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Does anyone have any ideas why the US army is now refocusing on heavy divisions and possible opponents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, TrustMe said: Does anyone have any ideas why the US army is now refocusing on heavy divisions and possible opponents? Welcome in Cold War 2.0. What I also want to add, is that my calculations of 11x Heavy Divisions is based on my observation of current structure. So if US Army will convert: 1. 2. 3. 4. 7. 25. Infantry Divisions and US Army National Guard will convert 28. 29. 34. 35. 36. Infantry Divisions then US can have 11 Standard Heavy Divisions, of course this is option maximum. All these divisions either have ABCT's or SBCT's, and have potential for such conversion. Of course there can be less, we will see in time. 1. Armored Division and 1. Cavalry Division are already scheduled to be converted in to Penetration Divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Current structure of Armored (and other) BCT from document page 22 for those catching up (like me): https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/114th-congress-2015-2016/reports/51535-fsprimer.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 "1. Armored Division and 1. Cavalry Division are already scheduled to be converted in to Penetration Divisions." Huh. I guess I'll be rotating out just before it gets interesting. Pleased to see ADA BNs back in the Div structure, though I can't help but wonder if they need to be even more. Unless the laser-based weapon enters service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALightFighter Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 4:43 PM, DKTanker said: What it really means is that there will have to be a shitload of new engineer battalions raised. I count seven battalions of engineers assigned to a penetration Division. That's more engineering assets than 7th Army had during the CW. Penetration Division has 7 EN Bns, but the BCT EN Bns are small, only 2 EN Cos. USAREUR (7th Army) in 1989 had more than 7 x EN Bn: 18th EN BDE had 4 x EN Bn, V Corps had 2x divisional EN Bn and 130th EN BDE with 3, and VII Corps had 2 x divisional EN Bns and 7th EN BDE with 5 EN Bns- I get 15 x EN Bns, plus an assortment of companies, and I'd guess that the older battalions were larger, although I'm not sure of the structure of the EN BDE in the penetration division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Manic Moran said: "1. Armored Division and 1. Cavalry Division are already scheduled to be converted in to Penetration Divisions." Huh. I guess I'll be rotating out just before it gets interesting. Pleased to see ADA BNs back in the Div structure, though I can't help but wonder if they need to be even more. Unless the laser-based weapon enters service. 1st Cavalry Division is scheduled for conversion in summer 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Damian said: 1st Cavalry Division is scheduled for conversion in summer 2023. I'm 1AD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 What's the rationale for the penetration division? and where are the MLRS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 12 hours ago, FALightFighter said: Penetration Division has 7 EN Bns, but the BCT EN Bns are small, only 2 EN Cos. USAREUR (7th Army) in 1989 had more than 7 x EN Bn: 18th EN BDE had 4 x EN Bn, V Corps had 2x divisional EN Bn and 130th EN BDE with 3, and VII Corps had 2 x divisional EN Bns and 7th EN BDE with 5 EN Bns- I get 15 x EN Bns, plus an assortment of companies, and I'd guess that the older battalions were larger, although I'm not sure of the structure of the EN BDE in the penetration division. I was suggesting a bit of hyperbole, but the point remains, one division has an awful lot of engineer battalions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Manic Moran said: I'm 1AD... So I guess 2025 would be conversion schedule? Quote What's the rationale for the penetration division? and where are the MLRS? You have everything written here -> https://www.battleorder.org//post/waypoint-divisions?fbclid=IwAR2b2Axi7R2KU7BWU0Yi8he9KCv5cbQriIFfcaZZmVaJpmN2hQY846QcnNE MLRS is Corps level artillery support. Edited January 12, 2022 by Damian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Damian said: MLRS is Corpse level artillery support. 🤣 That is a funny typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, sunday said: 🤣 That is a funny typo. Yeah. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The link says "1 Robot combat vehicle company" The Maneuver includes 3 Armored Brigade Combat Teams. Each will include an HHC, 3 Combined Arms Battalions (CAB), 1 Armored Cavalry Troop, 1 Robot Combat Vehicle (RCV) Company, 1 Brigade Engineer Battalion, and 1 Brigade Support Battalion. The Combined Arms Battalions are intended to be a 2-to-2 mix of Armor and Mechanized Infantry Companies, undoing the 2016 change that turned CABs triangular. Additionally, the Armored Cavalry Troops will likely be composed of 2 Tank Platoons and 2 Bradley-mounted Scout Platoons. I guess they will be called Terminators 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Damian said: So I guess 2025 would be conversion schedule? You have everything written here -> https://www.battleorder.org//post/waypoint-divisions?fbclid=IwAR2b2Axi7R2KU7BWU0Yi8he9KCv5cbQriIFfcaZZmVaJpmN2hQY846QcnNE MLRS is Corps level artillery support. Thanks, it all sounds very Soviet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Looking at the Guard side of the house, it looks like one Penetration division, one Standard Heavy, all the rest Standard Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Which state's NG units are getting re-horsed on tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Manic Moran said: Looking at the Guard side of the house, it looks like one Penetration division, one Standard Heavy, all the rest Standard Light. This is official? What about US Army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALightFighter Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 11 hours ago, rmgill said: Which state's NG units are getting re-horsed on tanks? I don't think any are. I believe that the ARNG has 5 x ABCTs, which matches the 1 x Penetration Division and 1 x Standard Heavy Division. The question that I see is where doesn't the other Stryker BCT go? Probably just into a non-standard Light Division, could beef up either of the heavier ARNG divisions, or could be a Corps-level recon asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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