Rittenhouse trial

[R011]

12 hours ago, Yama said:

Never said otherwise: I have only commented his overall responsibility for the events, not the individual heat-of-the-moment decisions, which are much more defensible.

Surely the over all responsibility for the events belongs to those who went to Kenosha intent on riot, arson, and inflicting bodily harm?  It was their presence that inspired Rittenhouse to go downtown to protect local property and persons.  He was not lighting fires or chasing people down to beat them.

Edited November 15, 2021 by R011

[Simon Tan]

Not. Dont poach Yama's role. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

How many others were on the streets with Rittenhouse that night to protect property? When watching the video I thought I saw an older man simularly armed who wasnt a cop.

[Ivanhoe]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

How many others were on the streets with Rittenhouse that night to protect property? When watching the video I thought I saw an older man simularly armed who wasnt a cop.

Probably lots, but scattered and thus uncountable. 

There have been cities where rioters have wandered into the wrong neighborhood where residents were armed and waiting. One or two shots down the street, the rioters scatter like roaches. 

[DB]

I think we all recall the rooftop Koreans.

[TBeyer]

Gun charge dropped, next up closing arguments:

https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/15/after-final-word-attorneys-rittenhouse-jury-takes-over/

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

How many others were on the streets with Rittenhouse that night to protect property? When watching the video I thought I saw an older man simularly armed who wasnt a cop.

If you'd looked at some of the trial. Or if you'd looked at news sources other than your usual hacks, you'd have an idea of this. 

You might watch what Joann Fiedler stated on the stand stated. 
 

 

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, DB said:

I think we all recall the rooftop Koreans.

It's an old meme, but it checks out. 
 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by rmgill

[Burncycle360]

The hell you do. Imagine the precedent that would set, I cannot fathom why he was not stopped here. This is patently untrue, and actually harmful disinformation as the layperson may already believe that to be the case unless it was clarified otherwise, and a persons future hangs in the balance.

[rmgill]

Littlebinger even tried to argue that someone pointing a handgun at you wasn't a threat and that you had to be shot before you could defend yourself. And that being clubbed in the head multiple times was not a problem. 

Given how district attorneys often carry firearms, I'm wondering how Binger is supposed to use his sidearm if he carries one. 

[Burncycle360]

Regarding Kyle portraying himself as an EMT/Medic, I understand the prosecution is throwing everything they can at the wall to see what sticks, but it's not a compelling argument to use this against him as the prosecution has been doing. While Kyle may not have been an EMT or Paramedic, as a life guard he is presumably at least BLS certified, which is the only level of care anyone with medical training would be operating there as a layperson regardless of their credentials, and he knows in modern parlance at these events the term EMT/Medic is understood to mean first aid / medical help.
 

Just like the layperson often doesn't know the differences between an CNA, LPN, ASN RN, BSN RN, APRN, MSN -- who may simply say "I'm a nurse" if they stop to help at an accident scene as it saves time and is easily understood, the layperson generally isn't going to know the technical differences between EMR, EMT-B, AEMT, or Paramedic. It's not unreasonable to just say what's commonly understood for simplicity.
 

My impression is that there are often unofficial "street medics" participating in support of the protests (regardless of their ideological affiliation) with a wide variety of medical backgrounds, but it's probably the exception rather than the rule that they're actually paramedics as their day job despite many wearing patches that say medic on them.
 

Even if one of the street medics was legitimately a current NREMT and state certified paramedic, they wouldn't be able to function as such if they weren't there as part of an official presence by the organization they're affiliated with, operating under a medical director. Otherwise they would be operating outside of their scope of practice. In most places they are only legally covered to the extent any Good Samaritan is; BLS / First Aid only.
 

As a result, I'm not really moved by the argument that he was trying to portray himself as something he is not, just like I'm not particularly upset with Gaige portraying himself as a paramedic (by wearing a hat that says "Paramedic") despite no longer being one.

[rmgill]

That doesn't really matter for facts. It's just an argument that Binger can throw. It's just like the FMJ ammo issue. If Kyle had had Hollow point bullets, he'd have ridiculed that. That he had FMJ is a reason to complain to the Jury. 

I had to jump off watching the closing arguments as I have a work call,  but I was hoping to see the defense talk about the reasons why the BLM rioters were there, despite their own EMTs. 

[sunday]

This is really, really ugly

That twit has not been deleted.

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by sunday

[urbanoid]

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 hours ago, rmgill said:

If you'd looked at some of the trial. Or if you'd looked at news sources other than your usual hacks, you'd have an idea of this. 

You might watch what Joann Fiedler stated on the stand stated. 
 

 

Can you just stop with the shittiness, just once? I asked an honest question based on what I saw, I s that really such a problem for you?

[Stuart Galbraith]

9 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Probably lots, but scattered and thus uncountable. 

There have been cities where rioters have wandered into the wrong neighborhood where residents were armed and waiting. One or two shots down the street, the rioters scatter like roaches. 

Thanks.

[DB]

I understand that they dropped the gun charge, which was the only possible argument that anything Rittenhouse did whilst he was there was a consequence of an illegal action. does this not mean that he was legally "allowed" to be where he was, and legally "allowed" to be in possession of a firearm, and therefore the argument that "nobody would have died if he hadn't gone there with a firearm" is moot, because what he was doing was completely legal?

[Burncycle360]

Correct, he was legally allowed to be in possession of a rifle per the wording of the law. Should this not be in line of the intent of the law, I suspect it will promptly be updated to reflect that, but even if that's the case it won't have any bearing on the outcome of this case.

[DKTanker]

ADA Kraus has argued that Rittenhouse was a coward, that he should have put his weapon down and taken on his assailants in hand to hand combat.  No, really, he actually said that.

ADA Binger has said the vigilante mob was justified in chasing down and assaulting Rittenhouse, that there were many heroes among them and, that Rittenhouse had no right to defend himself against them.  Binger, who said Rittenhouse is responsible for every shot fired also stated that Rittenhouse should have fired warning shots.

I don't know why the judge allowed Binger to state such nonsense but by remaining silent, did the judge essentially write new law?

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by DKTanker

[nitflegal]

23 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

ADA Kraus has argued that Rittenhouse was a coward, that he should have put his weapon down and taken on his assailants in hand to hand combat.  No, really, he actually said that.

ADA Binger has said the vigilante mob was justified in chasing down and assaulting Rittenhouse, that there were many heroes among them and, that Rittenhouse had no right to defend himself against them.  Binger, who said Rittenhouse is responsible for every shot fired also stated that Rittenhouse should have fired warning shots.

I don't know why the judge allowed Binger to state such nonsense but by remaining silent, did the judge essentially write new law?

 

The only dumb-f*cks who would make that case are soft wusses who have never been in a serious fight in their lives.  One serious (eg, you are going to the hospital and they are going to hurt you while you are down) fight and you know that you will be helpless.  Throw in enough experience to learn that with 3-4 opponents (never mind dozens in a mob) you will lose and you will get stomped and you would never state such an unbelievably stupid thing.

Random thought 1: You have to recognize how amazingly the media and progressives did their work that half the country looks at a 17 year old kid who drove to a city engulfed in riots to put out fires and render first aid who got attacked by a bunch of white guys of whom there were rapists and felons and him putting them down after being attacked the kid is a racist.  For killing a white rapist.  

Random thought 2: I wonder how many of these types of trials it will take to make the general American public believe that the legal system is fundamentally unfair and made up of incompetents?  

Random thought 3: What does it say about our society that the country accepts that if a white kid isn't put in jail for shooting white rapists and felons that the country will erupt in riots and you'd be crazy to expect otherwise?

[DKTanker]

I had heard this earlier today, now have photographic evidence.  Evidently ADA Thomas Binger hasn't been paying attention to Hollywood news as he repeated the actions of Alec Baldwin save for actually killing somebody.

With his FINGER ON THE TRIGGER !!!

 

[Mikel2]

How is crap like this not incredibly insulting to black people?. https://twitter.com/GregoryMcKelvey/status/1460363150096621570?s=20

 

[DKTanker]

Just heard a legal analysis of the dismissed unlawful weapons possession charge.  Apparently in Wisconsin if the prosecutor charges and tries a defendant with a crime that they know is not factually true and that charge is dismissed with prejudice and or the jury finds not guilty, the defendant can sue the state for malicious prosecution.

[Simon Tan]

Generations of conditioning. 

[DKTanker]

Rosenbaum was shot in the back, and that was the kill shot.  I had always assumed that one of the other shots had cause him to turn around in the heat of the moment.  Apparently that wasn't the case.  While technically true that Rosenbaum was shot in the back, he was actually shot in the posterior top of his shoulder and the bullet traveled through his body and lodged in his hip or pelvis.  The medical examiner said that the trajectory of the wound channel was consistent with somebody lunging forward and being shot while doing so.  

Edited November 16, 2021 by DKTanker